'I Pledge to serve Obama....'

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You know, Mac, I think you hit on why it was so subliminaly unsettling for me to watch.

It was just that feeling. Good words being expressed but this almost indefinable voluntary surrender of decision-making to a 'higher power'.

I have to say, I'm happy, for now, that Bush has gone from the seat where he got to decide which corporate interest to support with the American military. Whether I'll actually be any happier once your new figurehead gets going I can't say.

As Star Trekkin (awful song) once proclaimed so resonantly of present day geo-politic: "We come in peace, shoot to kill"

That's nothing I dare hope will change any time soon, sad to say.
 

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My favorite was this one : http://bushworldtour.com/
They're sold out though, sorry.


See, here's the rub. I actually like the guy. Some of what he's done, I actually like. But, his "kool aid fans" are the ones that scare me. It's like Christianity. I've got no problem with it, but "dear god save me from your followers" has been muttered by me more than once. Obama the man, I've got no problem with. It's this "Obama as Mesiah" thing, that concerns me.

My only hope is that I'm in Vermont or Texas, or visiting Canada when it all goes down hill. *shrug*

Personally, I think it's all screwed.
 
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You know, Mac, I think you hit on why it was so subliminaly unsettling for me to watch.

It was just that feeling. Good words being expressed but this almost indefinable voluntary surrender of decision-making to a 'higher power'.

I have to say, I'm happy, for now, that Bush has gone from the seat where he got to decide which corporate interest to support with the American military. Whether I'll actually be any happier once your new figurehead gets going I can't say.

As Star Trekkin (awful song) once proclaimed so resonantly of present day geo-politic: "We come in peace, shoot to kill"

That's nothing I dare hope will change any time soon, sad to say.

Yeah, I think many folks are still so blinded by Bush hatred that they really can't see what should be obvious......this stuff is NUTTY! I hope some time and distance from Bush's administration allows some folks to wake up!

When I bring it up, the knee-jerk response from so many folks is to automatically revert to attacking Bush......which has absolutely nothing to do with it! Bush is back in Crawford, and is no longer of any power or ability to harm anyone.
 
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My favorite was this one : http://bushworldtour.com/
They're sold out though, sorry.


See, here's the rub. I actually like the guy. Some of what he's done, I actually like. But, his "kool aid fans" are the ones that scare me. It's like Christianity. I've got no problem with it, but "dear god save me from your followers" has been muttered by me more than once. Obama the man, I've got no problem with. It's this "Obama as Mesiah" thing, that concerns me.

My only hope is that I'm in Vermont or Texas, or visiting Canada when it all goes down hill. *shrug*

Personally, I think it's all screwed.
I fear you may be right.......
 

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I do have to say that one thing I am sure of about the American people is your rugged individualism has to get compressed pretty hard before a great many of you smell a Snake Oil Salesman and won't shout about it.

I really do think that appeals to 'patriotism' and creation of overly-bloated threats to national security are what kept you chaps so aquiescent during what is now the outgoing presidency. Otherwise I have no doubt you'd've been screaming blue murder about 'foreign entanglements' and the 'national debt'.

That's my round about way of saying that I was coming on too strong with my Bush-the-Saviour phrasing earlier :eek:.
 

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I do have to say that one thing I am sure of about the American people is your rugged individualism has to get compressed pretty hard before a great many of you smell a Snake Oil Salesman and won't shout about it.

I really do think that appeals to 'patriotism' and creation of overly-bloated threats to national security are what kept you chaps so aquiescent during what is now the outgoing presidency. Otherwise I have no doubt you'd've been screaming blue murder about 'foreign entanglements' and the 'national debt'.
That was mass hysteria.
 

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I do have to say that one thing I am sure of about the American people is your rugged individualism has to get compressed pretty hard before a great many of you smell a Snake Oil Salesman and won't shout about it.

I really do think that appeals to 'patriotism' and creation of overly-bloated threats to national security are what kept you chaps so aquiescent during what is now the outgoing presidency. Otherwise I have no doubt you'd've been screaming blue murder about 'foreign entanglements' and the 'national debt'.

That's my round about way of saying that I was coming on too strong with my Bush-the-Saviour phrasing earlier :eek:.

man i really, really, really, really...really hope you're right.

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Seriously, shesula......with all due respect, you've probably been looking all afternoon...and this stuff is the best examples of Bush worship you could come up with? A campaign t-shirt, two anti-Bush t-shirts, a 'Go Bush' t-shirt, a cheap bronze (probably plastic) bust, and the NWO?!

Nope, not looking long at all. Point is that the point is moot ... because it's been done before. And I'm wasting my time talking to you because Obama is E. Ville and we should all be afraid. Sure there are lemmings for him ... and there were lemmings for Bush ... and McCain ... and Nailin' - er, PALIN (sorry) - but that's just not the same thing now, is it?

Do I think people assign messianic qualities to people who don't deserve it? All the time. What portion of the video you posted in your first post was even close to that? Mmm ... probably 10%. Too high, yet I'm not sold on the entire content being credited to worship status.

Again ... people are inspired. They are focused on doing what they should have been doing all along. That's not a bad thing. Crediting Obama for it all, now THAT'S a bad thing. Seriously, we could have elected Elmo as president if he'd ran against McCain following the Dubya legacy. Then we'd all be "worshipping" red, furry, loud, hyperactive monsters.
 
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Nope, not looking long at all. Point is that the point is moot ... because it's been done before. And I'm wasting my time talking to you because Obama is E. Ville and we should all be afraid. Sure there are lemmings for him ... and there were lemmings for Bush ... and McCain ... and Nailin' - er, PALIN (sorry) - but that's just not the same thing now, is it?

Do I think people assign messianic qualities to people who don't deserve it? All the time. What portion of the video you posted in your first post was even close to that? Mmm ... probably 10%. Too high, yet I'm not sold on the entire content being credited to worship status.

Again ... people are inspired. They are focused on doing what they should have been doing all along. That's not a bad thing. Crediting Obama for it all, now THAT'S a bad thing. Seriously, we could have elected Elmo as president if he'd ran against McCain following the Dubya legacy. Then we'd all be "worshipping" red, furry, loud, hyperactive monsters.

Again, you have found not one single trace of any parity to Obama worship anywhere else in American presidential history....not with 'Dubya', not with Reagan (posthumous worship is hardly the same....dead Presidents are safely worshipped), not anywhere

The Cult of Obama should scare anyone not blinded by Bush hatred (which seems to be the retort when Obama worship is brought up 'oh yeah well Bush....'....and as it goes on folks will start to wake up to the fact that some of their neighbors have been kidnapped and switched with pod people.

Nobody worshipped at the alter of 'Dubya'.....folks made fun of the fact that Bush actually credited the worship of a higher power himself......but there is an alter of Obama, and many folks speak of HIM as the 'higher power'.

......and the SCARIEST THING is that the News Media, who should be Skeptical and Cynical of every leader, are at the CENTER of the Obama worship.




My apologies if i'm a little too iconoclastic to be 'Obama cool'.....but i'm agnostic, I don't believe in messiahs, even really cool, clean and articulte 'hip' ones....and socialist messiahs especially don't inspire me......it's the cross some of us have to bear. ;)
 
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I do have to say that one thing I am sure of about the American people is your rugged individualism has to get compressed pretty hard before a great many of you smell a Snake Oil Salesman and won't shout about it.

I really do think that appeals to 'patriotism' and creation of overly-bloated threats to national security are what kept you chaps so aquiescent during what is now the outgoing presidency. Otherwise I have no doubt you'd've been screaming blue murder about 'foreign entanglements' and the 'national debt'.

That's my round about way of saying that I was coming on too strong with my Bush-the-Saviour phrasing earlier :eek:.

I hope you're right abut the rugged individualism........I had to make a tough choice in voting for McCain (the lessor of two evils given the choice in my humble opinion) and Bob Barr.......the next election the Republicans are on their own........perhaps the Libertarian platform can finally get some traction.

http://www.lp.org/introduction/what-is-the-libertarian-party
http://www.lp.org/issues
 

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Can't we all just get along, by the way I am moving to Mexico the land of the free and the home of te brave.
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Sorry folks - got the bat signal for a token Obama voter to show up on this thread.... but one daughter was pretesting last night for her first junior black belt, the other for advanced red belt.... a 3 hour affair including 6 rounds of sparring. Then one daughter had a run requirement this morning. Both passed, I am very proud, but sorry to be late.

Now after 114 posts so far on this thread, I have a lawyer's tactic for you. It is called moving for Summary Judgment. Here's how it works: I agree to every criticism you have levied against the sheeple on the video, stipulate to them all. Then I tell the judge - here, you gentle readers - that it makes no difference at all when it come to Barack Obama, the President.

It is simply silly to imagine one can hold a leader, any leader, responsible for every nut or extremist or crazed true believer that decides he's the new Fuhrer. In a country of hundreds of millions, it is inevitable that any person of national stature will attract followers both sane and nutty, sensible and sheeple, thinking and brain dead. How convenient, if one wants to tear a man down, to point to the worst of their adherents.... and paint those flaws across all his supporters and the man himself. Without any evidence, of course.

Nice work if you can get it. Until I'm banned, though, you can't.

Worshiping a man who's been in office only 4 days? Why, that's just as silly as condemning a man who's only been in office 4 days!

Honestly, I am concerned at the threads that have grown legs here lately. A botched oath? That's fodder for a bloopers show.... period. There are serious issues, debatable issues.....Gitmo closing, yet another bail out pending, Iraq....... and a rational forum is instead 115 posts into trying to divine national meaning from something wacky by some wackos on YouTube!:confused:
 

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You know, Mac, I think you hit on why it was so subliminaly unsettling for me to watch.

It was just that feeling. Good words being expressed but this almost indefinable voluntary surrender of decision-making to a 'higher power'.

I have to say, I'm happy, for now, that Bush has gone from the seat where he got to decide which corporate interest to support with the American military. Whether I'll actually be any happier once your new figurehead gets going I can't say.

As Star Trekkin (awful song) once proclaimed so resonantly of present day geo-politic: "We come in peace, shoot to kill"

That's nothing I dare hope will change any time soon, sad to say.


"Boldly going forward 'cause we can't find reverse", indeed.
 

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I'm on an eight year political hangover and I'm sick of the whole damn thing.

How do you think I feel, I'm on a SIXTEEN year bender and it shows no sign of stopping.

Ah, to be that young idealistic boy scout again...

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There's a REASON most idealists are of the age where they aren't grown up yet. Because idealism is for children.

You wanna be an optimist, you go ahead and be an optimist. I'LL be a realist.
 
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Mmmm ... no, that's what some would call "false hope." Hope is the belief in possibility. Lack of it is to deny miracles, and any decent scientist will tell you there is A LOT than can not be explained fully, that medical miracles are made every day and that hope is more than just a stone's throw away from faith.

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All miracles gratefully accepted at this point but I'm frankly not holding my breath.

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