Effects of The Killing Of Bin Laden

[MA-Caver]

Has it started?

Muslim scholars pulled from Delta plane in Memphis

– Sat May 7, 2:07 pm ET BOSTON (Reuters) – Two Muslim scholars headed to a conference on American fears of Islam were pulled from a morning flight on Friday, and were later told that the pilot had refused to fly with them aboard.
Masudur Rahman, a professor of Arabic at the University of Memphis, and Mohamed Zaghloul, Imam at the Islamic Association of Greater Memphis, were asked to deplane Atlantic Southeast Airlines flight 5452 from Memphis to Charlotte. They were subjected to additional security checks after the plane had pushed back from the gate, Rahman told Reuters by telephone.
After additional screening, the two men were cleared by Delta representatives to re-board the plane, but were then told the pilot would not take them, Rahman said.
Rahman said both men had been cleared for check-in and boarding by airline and Transportation Security Administration officials during normal pre-flight procedures.
According to a TSA spokesman, the decision to remove the two passengers was made by the airline.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110507/us_nm/us_muslims_plane

In a lot of ways the pilot's decision to refuse to fly with the two men aboard because they were Muslims is kind of ironic

The two men were headed to a North American Imams conference where they were scheduled to lead prayers. This year's conference is discussing Islamophobia or fears of Islam and discrimination against American Muslims

Granted that there should be concerns of reprisals by Bin Laden supporters, the fact that these men went through additional security checks by the TSA (we all know about how they do THAT don't we? ) the pilot still refused and the airline supported them.
I understand that the Captain of a plane has the same powers as a Captain of a ship. But this was stereotyping discrimination, and I'm sorry but that is just wrong in every way.
Having to go through extra checks and passing them and then still being refused passage is just wrong.
It proves whatever point those scholars would have to show during their conference.

How many more stories are we going to see in the upcoming weeks/months related to a growing paranoia of our (truly) innocent Muslim American citizens? Is it better to err on the side of caution? Reflecting on 9/11 maybe it is. I dunno.

 

[Twin Fist]

anyone stupid enough to try to fly dressed like bin laden THIS WEEK i got no sympathy for

 

[Scott T]

The pilot's a bigot, nothing more, and the airline supports the behavior.

 

[Twin Fist]

oh zip it scott, the pilot has a responsibility to the passengers to make sure they are SAFE

 

[K-man]

oh zip it scott, the pilot has a responsibility to the passengers to make sure they are SAFE

I've searched to see if these guys have done anything out of the ordinary and found nothing. They are foreign born, working at the University of Memphis and wanted to fly within the US to a conference. They were screened twice and their luggage was screened. With those precautions carried out, what are the legitimate fears that the passengers were in any way not safe? Seems to me an over-reaction by the pilot.

 

[Twin Fist]

the WEEK OBL is killed, with muslim protests promising revenge all over the world, and you think he was over reacting?

 

[Touch Of Death]

anyone stupid enough to try to fly dressed like bin laden THIS WEEK i got no sympathy for

Are you high? Seriously.
Sean

 

[WC_lun]

the WEEK OBL is killed, with muslim protests promising revenge all over the world, and you think he was over reacting?

In a word, YES.

 

[granfire]

The two men were headed to a North American Imams conference where they were scheduled to lead prayers. This year's conference is discussing Islamophobia or fears of Islam and discrimination against American Muslims

Ironic....

 

[Bob Hubbard]

The pilots a bigoted ***. He should be fired for refusing to do his damn job.

So sorry he was scared.
What's the matter, doesn't he trust the screeners?
The No-Fly list?
back ground checks?
etc?

Obama needs to fix this. Issue an executive order. Order every person in the US to go out, right now, and buy a plain black suit, white shirt, black tie, and nice pair of wing tips. Maybe make it the "Official Patriotic American Uniform" (You can write it off your taxes y'all). This way some person who is doing something stupid like, oh I don't know, wearing the clothes they usually wear, won't get treated this way.

I've said it before, I'll say it again.
2B Muslims. If 'they' wanted 'us' dead, we'd be d.e.a.d.
If you really think 'they' want 'us' dead, you're an ignorant idiot. A 100% pure ignorant idiot.

Seriously, what are these guys supposed to do? Head out to Kohls and buy a new wardrobe just because someone might piss themselves out of ignorance?

Congrats. The terrorists did win. You're afraid, you're showing it, your actions show it. Good job. Me, I understand this little thing called 'math' and 'probability' and I got a better chance of having my wife surprise me on my birthday with a pair of hookers, than I do being involved in an Islamic Terrorist Action.

But, I will admit....whenever I see a Burkha-Babe, I do get a little nervous.
I worry...
you know...
it's only normal...
to worry...
that...
under that black impenetrable outfit...
there might be...
you know...
...
A NINJA!



yeah, the pilots a shmuck, needs to be fired, and I'm laughing at the stupid people again.
ok, back to the birthday fantasy.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

oh zip it scott, the pilot has a responsibility to the passengers to make sure they are SAFE

He does that by flying the bus in a safe manner.
It's the TSA, local and federal law enforcement, and other security screenings job to ensure that the passengers and cargo are safe to be put on the plane.

I've searched to see if these guys have done anything out of the ordinary and found nothing. They are foreign born, working at the University of Memphis and wanted to fly within the US to a conference. They were screened twice and their luggage was screened. With those precautions carried out, what are the legitimate fears that the passengers were in any way not safe? Seems to me an over-reaction by the pilot.

Yup

the WEEK OBL is killed, with muslim protests promising revenge all over the world, and you think he was over reacting?

Yup

Do you really think, that any muslim, planning something, is going to basically paint a bullseye on their head and scream "HEY YOU GUYS!!!!!!"

Makes as much sense as an assassin trying to gain access to the president, while carrying a sign that makes a threat, wearing body armor and carrying a bazooka.
Did I mention the armor was neon pink, and had cute anime death heads on it?

Id be more worried about the quiet guy in 7b, dressed in a suit and tie, with neat hair carrying a bible. You know. The kind of guy that doesn't worry you, that you are oblivious to, that is 'invisible'. I kinda think, that's who we should be leery of.

 

[Empty Hands]

Mohamed Atta on his way to kill a couple thousand Americans:

Looks extra Muslim-y, right?

 

[MA-Caver]

This is what I meant... right now we're focused on this particular issue. How long before we move on to the next incident...

I don't think we should let our guard down, no sir but not to the point where we're paranoid of everyone. Where we develop a Muslim only airline and only Muslims are allowed to fly on that particular carrier... by remote pilot control from the ground. Nor should we regulate them to the back of the bus.
We should (and more-n-likely do) have armed agents on board each flight ready to respond. Pilots should be armed AND trained to deal with hostage take over situations. Flight crews likewise (though not armed but trained to at least a brown belt level).

But I agree some sort of executive order that prevents over-reaction. But I'll be damned if I'm going to dress up like everyone else to make everyone else feel safe... I'm too much of a non-conformist to submit to that.

Sigh. Seems like a never ending game of chess where each side loses a piece for a piece until there's only just three pieces left... two kings and a queen. Question is who will have the queen?

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Mohamed Atta on his way to kill a couple thousand Americans:

Looks extra Muslim-y, right?

Yep. I can see the head towel, the desert robe, the zz top beard, and the AK47 all clear as I do every time I look at the President.

No...wait....if he's the guy in the blue....he looks like a TSA screener!!!!
I knew it! Those guys are working with the emeny! Oh ****! It's gonna be raining planes in the morning.

If you all need me, I'll be down in the bunker rotating my ammo and making sure there's enough belts for the 50 cal.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

This is what I meant... right now we're focused on this particular issue. How long before we move on to the next incident...

I don't think we should let our guard down, no sir but not to the point where we're paranoid of everyone. Where we develop a Muslim only airline and only Muslims are allowed to fly on that particular carrier... by remote pilot control from the ground. Nor should we regulate them to the back of the bus.
We should (and more-n-likely do) have armed agents on board each flight ready to respond. Pilots should be armed AND trained to deal with hostage take over situations. Flight crews likewise (though not armed but trained to at least a brown belt level).

But I agree some sort of executive order that prevents over-reaction. But I'll be damned if I'm going to dress up like everyone else to make everyone else feel safe... I'm too much of a non-conformist to submit to that.

Sigh. Seems like a never ending game of chess where each side loses a piece for a piece until there's only just three pieces left... two kings and a queen. Question is who will have the queen?

Can't we make them live in special camps like we did the Japanese, with little crescent moons sewn on their clothing? They can only be escorted off premises by 6 white males, blond hair and blue eyes. Because, there are 'black muslims', and everyone knows gingers are evil.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Can't we make them live in special camps like we did the Japanese, with little crescent moons sewn on their clothing? They can only be escorted off premises by 6 white males, blond hair and blue eyes. Because, there are 'black muslims', and everyone knows gingers are evil.

I'm feeling a right bit sarcastic today. Damn.

 

[granfire]

Yep. I can see the head towel, the desert robe, the zz top beard, and the AK47 all clear as I do every time I look at the President.

No...wait....if he's the guy in the blue....he looks like a TSA screener!!!!
I knew it! Those guys are working with the emeny! Oh ****! It's gonna be raining planes in the morning.

If you all need me, I'll be down in the bunker rotating my ammo and making sure there's enough belts for the 50 cal.

tin foil hat ok?

 

[MA-Caver]

I'm feeling a right bit sarcastic today. Damn.

*chuckles* aye you are... but I feel the same way... tired of this crap.

Not the discussions of course... tired that we are having to look over our shoulders.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

tin foil hat ok?

Hey, when you spray n pray at 2,000 RPM, you need a lot of ammo.

And if I was wearing a damn tin foil hat, I wouldn't have gotten this sunburn on my damn bald head. @%#$&#%@* grumble reminds me, I need to get my hazmat suit back from the dry cleaner.

 

[Twin Fist]

bob is, while being a jerk(i love ya, but you are a ......luddite about national security issues), right about one thing, the threat almost never looks like a threat. But the threat? it IS a muslim

no, not all muslims

but it wasnt Quakers protesting around the world promising revenge last week now was it?