Debate on the existence of Chi
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-Thanks, I will read those when I get a chance. I have heard of accupuncture studies providing evidence for some sort of phenomenon going on and others that show absolutely nothing. Hardly conclusive or empiracle. For it to science it has to be measurable and repeatable.upnorthkyosa said:
RoninPimp said:
As far as bioelectricity goes, THAT has been pretty soundly supported. Other things that "chi" is supposed to be have not and remain inconclusive. Further, it can be shown that accupuncture can manipulate these currents, but the actual affects on the body that this causes isn't fully understood. For more reading on this, try these searches...
Bioelectricity and Accupuncture
Zhang - Popp Hypothesis
Acupuncture and Science
More often then not, studies show that manipulating these electrical currents have effects on the body. Questions as to why remain.
upnorthkyosa
Edmund BlackAdder
<B>Rabid Wolverine</B>
Give up guys. Ronin won't believe you. If he can't feel it in the ring while cuddling a Gracie or Shamrock Wannabe, it aint real to him. He's only here to screw with you anyway.
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
Actually to the Chinese Medical Doctors throughout China it is rather scientific. And in China both western and eastern medicine work very well together.
But thats ok when Western medicine got to China they thought pretty much the same thing about that that was previously stated about Chinese medicine here.
And Edmond once again :asian:
But thats ok when Western medicine got to China they thought pretty much the same thing about that that was previously stated about Chinese medicine here.
And Edmond once again :asian:
RoninPimp said:
That sentence is incomplete, so I'm not exactly sure what you were saying....
The rub: chi flow changes and the instrumentation we have now cannot measure chi accurately to say the least.
As a parallel, how about the science of dreams? We can't be sure of why they happen nor where they come from. We don't even know why we need sleep, but we accept that we must need sleep because of the ramifications which occur when we don't get sleep. We can measure eye patterning and brain patterning and other biological functions during sleep which suggest, based upon behavior and performance, whether or not we are getting adequate rest.
However ... we do dream. Dreams are not measurable nor intentionally repeatable. Do we doubt that they exist? Do people who have never remembered a dream in their lives never actually dream? or do they forget them? Moreover, does the fact that some people have never experienced (according to their conscious memory) a dream indicate that dreams do not, in fact, exist?
Science is wonderful, though it is based on our very limited senses and instrumentaion and involves only the realm of our physical being. There are many other factors which weigh into observation - one's psyche, ego, intentions, experience, doubt patterns, belief patterns.
OH, and here's another thing that is very hard for many science fans to appreciate: sometimes science fails. All the people who received every form of chemotherapy there is for cancer yet died anyway evidence this. All the people who survive, even thrive despite the odds evidence this.
Science is not the be-all-end-all to the experience of living and the causation of being, healing and harming.
Not to strawman, but to put forth other, widely accepted non-scientifically proven elements of daily living.
Edmund, I am not out to convert others, merely to state my opinions. Hard-learned ones at that.
If folks find themselves compelled to re-think their position, learn more, grow a little in tolerance, then my prayers have been answered. :asian:-The rub is that science begins when you can measure. That's why belief in Chi is NOT based on science.
-Science is constantly adding and subtracting things. That's how it works. Science's inability to explain everything in the universe does NOT in any way help your argument for the existance of Chi.
Ok, so then by your definition, God doesn't exist either. She'll be very upset to hear that.RoninPimp said:
Very simple grasshopper. Billions of people believe in god, without his/her/it's existence being signed off on by some educated dude in a lab coat.RoninPimp said:
By that same token, as I and others have said, the Chinese, Japanese and others in that part of the world have their own science systems which do focus on it's existence, and to their satisfaction have proven it's existence, even if they can't put it in a box or a display somewhere.
My doctor cannot measure it or explain it, but she thinks it exists, and she does things using it that seem to be effective. I'm as skeptical as anyone, but when something works, it works. I don't need to see it's FDA ok.
Edmund BlackAdder
<B>Rabid Wolverine</B>
Dreams can be detected using certain equipment. However, we cannot see the dreams, only the effects of dreaming. So, therefore they must not exist. Can't prove it.shesulsa said:
Then again, the one I had last night was a doozy. Can't describe it here...but it did involve multiple attackers. Well, sort of. :wavey:
-I'm not telling you you shouldn't believe in chi, god , or the Easter bunny. I'm telling you that if you do, it's not based on science. The FACT remains that there is not a single person or culture anywhere on the planet that has empiracle evidence of chi.Bob Hubbard said:
Science also cannot create life, yet here we are.
green meanie
Master Black Belt
:rofl:Edmund BlackAdder said:
