A comparison of TKD to BJJ and Modern Arnis

[mickeymouse]

Many years ago I studied TKD, but I hated learning the katas. Do BJJ and Modern Arnis require one to learn data? I want something with more practical knowledge that I can use in a fight. I like the idea of grappling in BJJ, and cane fighting in Modern Arnis.

 

[Tony Dismukes]

I presume that "data" was a typo and you meant "kata".

I can't speak for Modern Arnis, but BJJ does not have kata.

Most BJJ gyms do not require memorization as such. The expectation for promotion is generally that you have functional skills in the various positions that you might end up in. So the teacher would generally look at things like how good you are at passing guard, escaping mount, finishing submissions from side control, etc in sparring.

A small minority of schools have some sort of standardized curriculum that you need to be able to demonstrate during belt tests (specific escapes from a headlock or a bear hug, for example), but not a set sequence of solo moves that you have to memorize like a Karate kata or a TKD poomsae.

 

[Rich Parsons]

Many years ago I studied TKD, but I hated learning the katas. Do BJJ and Modern Arnis require one to learn data? I want something with more practical knowledge that I can use in a fight. I like the idea of grappling in BJJ, and cane fighting in Modern Arnis.

HI MM

Traditional Modern Arnis has four (4) Cane / Stick / Weapon Forms (All the same except one learns some nuances between weapons) and Eight (8) empty hand forms.
Some only teach five for black belt and the rest are beyond black belt.

Some organizations will spar more than others.

Some teachers are more self defense based.

What area of the world / country / state or province you are looking to train in?
I might be able to point out some instructors in that area.

I am not associated with a larger organization officially. I do have the phone numbers of many of the senior most of the organizations or know how to contact them.

 

[KenpoMaster805]

bjj dont have kata i think kali or eskrima does

 

[ap Oweyn]

bjj dont have kata i think kali or eskrima does

Kali and eskrima are very generic titles. It'll depend much more on the style or organisation whether forms are practiced. As Rich said above, Modern Arnis often uses them. (I recall them being called "anyos" in MA, but he'd be a better reference for that. I trained with a Modern Arnis group for years, but I didn't formally study the style; we just trained together.) We did them in Doce Pares (where we called them "sayaw"), but I think my school created those, so I'm not clear how strong a tradition that is within DP overall. I never got the sense that GM Cacoy had much interest in them.

Personally, I don't teach forms. But the various forms of kali, eskrima, and arnis are less regulated than some styles, so it's much more variable.

 

[Rich Parsons]

Kali and eskrima are very generic titles. It'll depend much more on the style or organisation whether forms are practiced. As Rich said above, Modern Arnis often uses them. (I recall them being called "anyos" in MA, but he'd be a better reference for that. I trained with a Modern Arnis group for years, but I didn't formally study the style; we just trained together.) We did them in Doce Pares (where we called them "sayaw"), but I think my school created those, so I'm not clear how strong a tradition that is within DP overall. I never got the sense that GM Cacoy had much interest in them.

Personally, I don't teach forms. But the various forms of kali, eskrima, and arnis are less regulated than some styles, so it's much more variable.

Yes, Forms in Modern Arnis are called Anyos.

Some systems have two man forms which can lead to Box drills which allows for variation and eventually random movement. Not doing the simplest box movement the fastest.

 

[ap Oweyn]

Yes, Forms in Modern Arnis are called Anyos.

Some systems have two man forms which can lead to Box drills which allows for variation and eventually random movement. Not doing the simplest box movement the fastest.

Is that Tapi-Tapi? Or is that something else?