Biting?

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

It's more psychological than physical.

Both A and B try to kill each other. A bites B's finger off. While B's finger is on the ground, at that moment, does B think about killing A, or does B think about picking up his broken finger and go to EM and reconnect it before it's too later?

IMO, just thinking about to lose a body part forever can be scared enough to stop a fight. A broken arm/leg can be recovered. A missing finger can be lifetime.

My teacher taught students how to bite in ground game. In one fight, he did bite one of his opponent's fingers off.

The Central Police College in Taiwan has Chinese wrestling class and Judo class. At the end of each semester, both classes will have a joint tournament. Judo guys had a lot of ground skill. Chinese wrestlers didn't train ground skill but biting. In tournament, when a Chinese wrestler bite on a Judo guy, the Judo referee called that illegal move. Both the Judo coach and the Chinese wrestling coach (my teacher) went to the principle office. My teacher said, "We train our police officer to handle criminals. When a criminal controls our police officer on the ground, should our police officer tap out, of should our police officer fight back whatever he can. My teacher won the case.


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This is only a concern if you could actually bite someone's finger off. That's a myth that's pretty easily disproven by biting through a hard carrot at the same time you're biting your finger, and seeing how little of an impact it takes at full crunch to bite the carrot.

Outside of that, I followed this article and it's sources: https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/human-finger-vs-carrot. An average of 1485 newtons of force is required just to fracture the finger, nevermind bite it off. Maximum bite force based on this study: Maximum Bite Force Analysis in Different Age Groups - PMC is around 350 newtons of force at the max (for adult men it tends to be below 300), so you'd have to have a bite force around 5 times greater than average to actually bite through a finger.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

This is only a concern if you could actually bite someone's finger off. That's a myth that's pretty easily disproven by biting through a hard carrot at the same time you're biting your finger, and seeing how little of an impact it takes at full crunch to bite the carrot.

One year the national Taiwan SC tournament started. A guy sat on the main judge seat. My teacher asked that guy to get up. That guy refused and attacked my teacher. My teacher threw him down. He tried to poke my teacher's eyes. My teacher bit his finger off.

The whole fight was reported in Taiwan newspaper that "The main judge started the first fight". Hundreds of people in that SC tournament saw the "finger bite off" that day.

 

[Dirty Dog]

It's more psychological than physical.

Agreed.

Both A and B try to kill each other. A bites B's finger off. While B's finger is on the ground, at that moment, does B think about killing A, or does B think about picking up his broken finger and go to EM and reconnect it before it's too later?

I find this extremely implausible. The average person can generate 120-160PSI when biting. A finger bone requires 300-350PSI to break. Of the countless bites I've seen over the years, not a one involved a finger being bitten off. I did a literature search, and found two cases, in 1972 and 1999. In both cases, the finger was not amputated by biting, they were apparently kept in the mouth and gnawed on with the molars.

 

[Prince_Alarming]

You could try going through the joint, I guess

 

[Dirty Dog]

You could try going through the joint, I guess

How well can you suppress your gag reflex?

 

[HighKick]

Agreed.

I find this extremely implausible. The average person can generate 120-160PSI when biting. A finger bone requires 300-350PSI to break. Of the countless bites I've seen over the years, not a one involved a finger being bitten off. I did a literature search, and found two cases, in 1972 and 1999. In both cases, the finger was not amputated by biting, they were apparently kept in the mouth and gnawed on with the molars.

I think few people are expecting to break a bone when biting. But as I am sure you know they can leave some nasty tears/cuts and contusions on the skin and muscle. A tear can take a little at 2-3 ft/lbs of force with a good, sharp set of choppers.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

This is only a concern if you could actually bite someone's finger off. That's a myth that's pretty easily disproven by biting through a hard carrot at the same time you're biting your finger, and seeing how little of an impact it takes at full crunch to bite the carrot.

Outside of that, I followed this article and it's sources: https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/human-finger-vs-carrot. An average of 1485 newtons of force is required just to fracture the finger, nevermind bite it off. Maximum bite force based on this study: Maximum Bite Force Analysis in Different Age Groups - PMC is around 350 newtons of force at the max (for adult men it tends to be below 300), so you'd have to have a bite force around 5 times greater than average to actually bite through a finger.

Not true. I have twice treated someone who had a finger/ thumb bitten off. One was recent. We were able to reattach the thumb and save it with hyperbarics, skin grafts and revascularization surgery. The thumb was inside a leather glove and was still bitten all the way through at the distal joint.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

How well can you suppress your gag reflex?

lol!

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Agreed.

I find this extremely implausible. The average person can generate 120-160PSI when biting. A finger bone requires 300-350PSI to break. Of the countless bites I've seen over the years, not a one involved a finger being bitten off. I did a literature search, and found two cases, in 1972 and 1999. In both cases, the finger was not amputated by biting, they were apparently kept in the mouth and gnawed on with the molars.

Just did treat this last year.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

You could try going through the joint, I guess

Exactly.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

How well can you suppress your gag reflex?

It doesn’t need to be the whole finger.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

This is only a concern if you could actually bite someone's finger off. That's a myth that's pretty easily disproven by biting through a hard carrot at the same time you're biting your finger, and seeing how little of an impact it takes at full crunch to bite the carrot.

Outside of that, I followed this article and its sources: https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/human-finger-vs-carrot. An average of 1485 newtons of force is required just to fracture the finger, nevermind bite it off. Maximum bite force based on this study: Maximum Bite Force Analysis in Different Age Groups - PMC is around 350 newtons of force at the max (for adult men it tends to be below 300), so you'd have to have a bite force around 5 times greater than average to actually bite through a finger.

Biting through the joint won’t need near as much force since there is no bone to fracture. I doubt someone can do this on purpose, but it can, and has happened.

 

[Dirty Dog]

I think few people are expecting to break a bone when biting. But as I am sure you know they can leave some nasty tears/cuts and contusions on the skin and muscle. A tear can take a little at 2-3 ft/lbs of force with a good, sharp set of choppers.

Sure. It'll be messy and prone to infection, but not terribly debilitating. As said earlier in the thread, the response is more psychological than physiological.

Not true. I have twice treated someone who had a finger/ thumb bitten off. One was recent. We were able to reattach the thumb and save it with hyperbarics, skin grafts and revascularization surgery. The thumb was inside a leather glove and was still bitten all the way through at the distal joint.

Clip snip or chewed up?

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Sure. It'll be messy and prone to infection, but not terribly debilitating. As said earlier in the thread, the response is more psychological than physiological.

Clip snip or chewed up?

Incisors pinched it off inside the glove at the distal left thumb joint. Bone was not broken. It required tendon repair and revascularization, in addition to skin graft and hyperbarics. We saved it!

 

[Dirty Dog]

Incisors pinched it off inside the glove at the distal left thumb joint.

Interesting. Based on my literature search, you should write up the case.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Interesting. Based on my literature search, you should write up the case.

it was just last year. I recently saw the patient in public, and while the thumb did look a bit off ( see what I did there ) it was fully functional according to them.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

It

Interesting. Based on my literature search, you should write up the case.

It was touch and go… I’m on a roll now

 

[HighKick]

Not true. I have twice treated someone who had a finger/ thumb bitten off. One was recent. We were able to reattach the thumb and save it with hyperbarics, skin grafts and revascularization surgery. The thumb was inside a leather glove and was still bitten all the way through at the distal joint.

What bit it?

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

What bit it?

A man.