Adolescent Group Sex: A Growing Concern For Public Health

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That teenagers sneaking off having sex shouldn't be anything new, but group sex?
One in 13 teenage girls, aged 14 to 20, reported having a group-sex experience, with those young women more likely to have been exposed to pornography and childhood sexual abuse than their peers, according to a new study led by a Boston University School of Public Health (BUSPH) researcher.
<snip> Of the 7.3 percent who said they had group sex, more than half reported being pressured to engage in the group-sex situation. Forty-five percent reported a lack of condom use by a male participant during the most recent group-sex encounter. Participants with MPS experience also were more likely to report cigarette smoking, dating violence victimization, or ever being diagnosed with a sexually transmitted disease, the study found.
http://scienceblog.com/51065/group-sex-among-adolescents-a-public-health-concern/
Now I define group sex as more than 3 or 4 people. Adult people, over 18 adult people. Just where are these kids having their little sessions? Where are the watchful eyes of the parents?

The average age of the first group-sex experience was 15.6 years old. The majority of those who reported such activity said it was a one-time experience; 21 percent had multiple group-sex experiences. One-third reported using alcohol or drugs prior to their most recent experience, but half of those girls reported that their alcohol or drug use was not voluntary, indicating that they were “liquored up” or drugged by their sexual partner.

This is definitely a problem and I don't think it's limited to just certain parts of the country.
 

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You need to have a proper sex education programme.
http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/publications/398?task=view

*GASP* Oh...My...God...Tez....how could you say such a thing? Shame on you!! LOL! Just joking with you here. Reason I say that, is because ANY time a sex ed. discussion has been brought up on here, all hell has broken loose, with people saying that it should be the PARENTS, not the schools, to teach kids. My reply....if the parents aren't teaching them......

Frankly, I dont care who teaches it, as long as someone is!
 

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That teenagers sneaking off having sex shouldn't be anything new, but group sex?

This shouldn't really be a shocker to anyone.

Now I define group sex as more than 3 or 4 people. Adult people, over 18 adult people. Just where are these kids having their little sessions? Where are the watchful eyes of the parents?

Their house when their parents are not home. A friends house. Parents can't be everywhere.



This is definitely a problem and I don't think it's limited to just certain parts of the country.

I agree.
 
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*GASP* Oh...My...God...Tez....how could you say such a thing? Shame on you!! LOL! Just joking with you here. Reason I say that, is because ANY time a sex ed. discussion has been brought up on here, all hell has broken loose, with people saying that it should be the PARENTS, not the schools, to teach kids. My reply....if the parents aren't teaching them......

Frankly, I dont care who teaches it, as long as someone is!

Well as long as that particular someone is teaching them about abstinence, protection against STD's and pregnancy and how things work (err, biologically speaking of course) ... not to learn the Kama-Sutra in 10 easy lessons.
 

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Well as long as that particular someone is teaching them about abstinence, protection against STD's and pregnancy and how things work (err, biologically speaking of course) ... not to learn the Kama-Sutra in 10 easy lessons.


Those are precisely the things that report says is wrong with American sex education, that teaching those things simply doesn't work. children can be taught from a young age if the adults would stop being prudish and taught not only how to have sex but how to turn it instead into making love with proper thought and protection. when all you're told is don't do it and if you do you are bad but use protection you are going to have teenage pregnancies etc etc etc.

Whats wrong with being taught the Kama Sutra btw? don't you want people to know how to pleasure their partners? Why shouldn't children know it's a wonderful thing that you can do when you are old enough, it's what happens in The Netherlands, they have low rates of teenage pregnancies and the average age for losing your viginity is 19.
 

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Maybe they should do more Kamasutra (which is btw BORING) and less TV for sex ed.....
 

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Well as long as that particular someone is teaching them about abstinence, protection against STD's and pregnancy and how things work (err, biologically speaking of course) ... not to learn the Kama-Sutra in 10 easy lessons.

Tez pretty much echoed my thoughts on this. Some people make sex out to be some taboo thing, its bad, its evil, its this or that, dont do it. Come on now....turn on the TV at any point during the day, and you're bound to see one or all of the following: sexy women, who're half naked, a man and woman kissing, man and woman in bed, man without shirt on.

This is 2011, soon to be 2012. Its not the 1800's, times change, and people should get their heads out of the clouds. Sex is a thing that will happen. Instead of trying to sugar coat things, they should be talking about it, and doing more than just saying, "No dont do this, its bad!'
 

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I think the problem with sex ed in America is both political sides try to take it to the far side of the political system. You got the far right screaming sex is wrong dont do it dont do it dont teach it dont talk about it. You get the far left saying sex is good but you know whats even better kids? Gay sex YEAH it so much fun we should all have sex with anyone and everyone. Stick the the basics. Show lots of nasty STD pictures, tons of pregnant teen mom horror stories, and say its better to wait but we know you wont no matter what we say so be safe about it and add a section on why girls should STOP sending nude photos of themself to that "one true love" who then forwards it to half the school. That goes for adults too I get pics sent to me daily from all my single friends saying look at this I met last night come on ladies wise up.
Kids have been having sex since the begining of time its just more freely talked about now. There were just as many boys and girls in the back of dads new 55 chevy as there are now.

I will teach my kids its better to wait because frankly it is. Ill teach them there is no 100% effective way to prevent an STD other then not having sex. But I will also tell them about condoms and having safe sex. Id be doing a bad parenting job if I didnt. I hope I raise my kids well enough to wait but I also remember when I was that age and that was all we as high school boys talked about was sex, cars, and football.
 

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This probably sounds awful but I think America really needs to relax about sex! there seems to be still a big issue about it, I wouldn't say it's Puritan because it's not, it's prudery. America still seems to be back in the Fifties where sexual matters are concerned. Here, we don't have a 'far left' pushing for gay sex nor a 'far right' pushing for absintence, we have legal same sex marriages, we have gays in the Armed Forces and while our record on teenage pregnancies isn't good it's more of a social problem (being done deliberately) rather than a lack of sexual awareness one.
I think teaching your children it's better to wait is far better than saying 'don't do it', just have a look through the threads here to see how many people, adults, don't like being told to do or not to do things by governments etc. Like a lot of things sex is best enjoyed when an adult, the enjoyment part however should also be taught, that being in a relationship enhances it, that casual sex for either gender (so many people thing it's fine for sons but not daughters, fathers even proudly grin when their sons have such casual sex) isn't ideal for so many reasons. A value has to be put on having sex and a value put on bodies. We need to have a good look at advertising, sex is used to sell so much but also the images of female bodies is used to give so many girls the idea that being thing is the ideal. We need to engender a sense of worth into young people, they mustn't sell themselves short. They must see sex and their bodies as something not to be abused.


Showing them pictures of bodies with STDs etc wont work, young people and some older ones always think it will never happen to them, that's 'other people'. giving them a good sex education which includes all the information they need plus a sense of worth will enable them to make the right decisions. In the end it will come down to that, no amount of scary stories stops people doing things now, people drive withour seatbelts, motorcyclists without crash helmets etc etc all think it won't happen to them. Here we have 'tombstoning' jumping off cliffs, high rocks etc into the ses, there's been deaths and broken necks, there's warning to the young people, they get chased off but they still do it, they know the dangers but carry on because 'it won't happen to them' until it does.
 
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This probably sounds awful but I think America really needs to relax about sex! there seems to be still a big issue about it, I wouldn't say it's Puritan because it's not, it's prudery. America still seems to be back in the Fifties where sexual matters are concerned. Here, we don't have a 'far left' pushing for gay sex nor a 'far right' pushing for absintence, we have legal same sex marriages, we have gays in the Armed Forces and while our record on teenage pregnancies isn't good it's more of a social problem (being done deliberately) rather than a lack of sexual awareness one.
I think teaching your children it's better to wait is far better than saying 'don't do it', just have a look through the threads here to see how many people, adults, don't like being told to do or not to do things by governments etc. Like a lot of things sex is best enjoyed when an adult, the enjoyment part however should also be taught, that being in a relationship enhances it, that casual sex for either gender (so many people thing it's fine for sons but not daughters, fathers even proudly grin when their sons have such casual sex) isn't ideal for so many reasons. A value has to be put on having sex and a value put on bodies. We need to have a good look at advertising, sex is used to sell so much but also the images of female bodies is used to give so many girls the idea that being thing is the ideal. We need to engender a sense of worth into young people, they mustn't sell themselves short. They must see sex and their bodies as something not to be abused.


Showing them pictures of bodies with STDs etc wont work, young people and some older ones always think it will never happen to them, that's 'other people'. giving them a good sex education which includes all the information they need plus a sense of worth will enable them to make the right decisions. In the end it will come down to that, no amount of scary stories stops people doing things now, people drive withour seatbelts, motorcyclists without crash helmets etc etc all think it won't happen to them. Here we have 'tombstoning' jumping off cliffs, high rocks etc into the ses, there's been deaths and broken necks, there's warning to the young people, they get chased off but they still do it, they know the dangers but carry on because 'it won't happen to them' until it does.

Tez, personally I don't give a flying fecking anything if a guy wants to go on his bike without a helmet, or wants to drive without seatbelts or whatever they want to do. Those wankers are adults. If two blokes want to bump their wands against one another or a couple of gals want to bump clams I don't give a crap about that either... they're ADULTS. Only reason that some people here get up in arms about it is because we've let our greedy git lawyers have their way and shown people how to make tons of money without working for it... simply sue the crap out of anyone even remotely related to whatever accident they (or their dead family) was in.

We're talking about CHILDREN... okay.
How old is the average girl/boy that loses their virginity doesn't even matter either at this point (as long as it was consensual and not a relative) . But young VERY young teenagers and PRE-teens acting like adults in bed? WRONG by ANY standards.
We're not puritan hell far from it. A good portion of the world's pornography comes from this country. We invented bikini's and keep finding ways to make 'em smaller by the generation. But they go to ADULTS not to kids.
The problem isn't our sex mores, hell, it's not even our attitude towards sex... it's the parents. American parents failing miserably (by majority not ALL) in raising their children. Fat kids, stupid kids, kids with ADD, kids addicted to games and so on ... also kids having sex earlier than their physical bodies are prepared for it. Like taking a cake out of the oven when the very center is still wet, mushy.
That is what concerns me.

Tired of your anti-American rants by the way.
 

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How do you manage to separate American adults from parents? You are speaking as if they are two different things. When you say 'our' attitude to sex are you leaving out parents? You don't have an enclave where theres parents and then there's American adults!

You've taken the helmet/seatbelt thing the wrong way, adults are complaning if they have to be made to wear them, adults will complain if their children are made to have sex education in schools.

Anti American rants, I don't think so....plenty of Americans have said on here that the Americans are on the whole are prudish about sex, you in your post just now were just crude. if you take what I say out of context, chose to ignore what I mean and read more into it than I mean I can't help it. The report I linked to, an American one (I chose an American one deliberately) btw was what I was taking my thoughts from, the report came from your people so agree with it or disagree with it but don't blame me.
 

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Interestingly, there was an article in the New York Times Magazine last week about sex education, called "Teaching Good Sex."
The lessons that tend to raise eyebrows outside the school, according to Vernacchio, are a medical research video he shows of a woman ejaculating — students are allowed to excuse themselves if they prefer not to watch — and a couple of dozen up-close photographs of vulvas and penises. The photos, Vernacchio said, are intended to show his charges the broad range of what’s out there. “It’s really a process of desensitizing them to what real genitals look like so they’ll be less freaked out by their own and, one day, their partner’s,” he said. What’s interesting, he added, is that both the boys and girls receive the photographs of the penises rather placidly but often insist that the vulvas don’t look “normal.” “They have no point of reference for what a normal, healthy vulva looks like, even their own,” Vernacchio said. The female student-council vice president agreed: “When we did the biology unit, I probably would’ve been able to label just as many of the boys’ body parts as the girls’, which is sad. I mean, you should know about the names of your own body.”

It's a good article, and sounds like a good class-and, largely, exactly what the more Puritanical elements of our society are afraid of when they hear the words "sex education."

Now, I don't know how it is-or was-in the rest of the country, but when I was a kid, and wasn't uncommon for three or even four couples to be making out in a car or someone's room, and for someone to say Swap!, and for everyone to change partners.

That's one form of "group sex," and-while some of us probably thought we had-we didn't invent it, and weren't the first "children" to do it. Ditto any number of configurations that don't need to be detailed here. Needless to say, though, a simple menage a trois (Simple? Two guys one girl, two girls one guy, three girls, three guys? And I'm not even going to get into the.....choreography :lfao: ) constitutes "group sex," as do "ganbangs"-all things that consentually occurred between "children," more than thirty years ago, and had been, as near as I can tell, since well before WWII.

I can recall a presentation by the county health officer-the man in charge of tracking venereal diseases-that I saw when I was in 8th grade-that's 1972-speaking of a "sex club" that was spreading STDs through an adolescent populace (read: high school) in the county.

Kids are gonna do what they're gonna do- bottom line, they should be trained to do it safely, in case they do it at all.....
 

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If you don't teach children how to have good sex, porn becomes their teacher. Sex is as natural as breathing and the word "adults" in the biologic sense needs to recognized for the age it truly happens. Humans are sexually mature after puberty. Our bodies are built and driven to have sex from that moment on. The more we try to deny it and control it, the worse it seems to go for our young adults. If this next statement is shocking, it's a measure of how far you need to change your mind on this matter, but...I think we need to consider extending full sexual rights to our young adults so that they can be guided into healthy practice rather then the dysfunction we see now. What does this statement mean...well consider someone who is mature enough to have sex being able to make choices for themselves, without coercion, and with the support of the older adults around them. That's what it means.
 

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If you don't teach children how to have good sex, porn becomes their teacher. Sex is as natural as breathing and the word "adults" in the biologic sense needs to recognized for the age it truly happens. Humans are sexually mature after puberty. Our bodies are built and driven to have sex from that moment on. The more we try to deny it and control it, the worse it seems to go for our young adults. If this next statement is shocking, it's a measure of how far you need to change your mind on this matter, but...I think we need to consider extending full sexual rights to our young adults so that they can be guided into healthy practice rather then the dysfunction we see now. What does this statement mean...well consider someone who is mature enough to have sex being able to make choices for themselves, without coercion, and with the support of the older adults around them. That's what it means.

Tried to give you rep but have to spead around first! Damn good post!
 

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...I think we need to consider extending full sexual rights to our young adults so that they can be guided into healthy practice rather then the dysfunction we see now. What does this statement mean...well consider someone who is mature enough to have sex being able to make choices for themselves, without coercion, and with the support of the older adults around them. That's what it means.
At what age are you talking about? I mean there are girls as young as 11 and 12 getting there period are you suggesting allowing adult grown men to be able to have sex with them? In my state the age of consent is 16 meaning a 16 year old can have sex with a 60 year old if they want and its not a crime as long as the adult is not a teacher or coach or law enforcement officer. 14 and 15 year olds can also have sex as long as the other person is not more then 4 years older. Just because your physically able to have sex does not mean your mentally and emotionally ready for it.

I dont believe the age of consent laws are designed to keep kids from having sex I believe they are designed to keep adults from taking advantage of young people that are not smart enough to know when a 40 year old married guy with 3 kids says he loves you and will leave his wife when the time is right hes really full of crap and just wants to get in your pants.
 

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This probably sounds awful but I think America really needs to relax about sex! there seems to be still a big issue about it, I wouldn't say it's Puritan because it's not, it's prudery. America still seems to be back in the Fifties where sexual matters are concerned. Here, we don't have a 'far left' pushing for gay sex nor a 'far right' pushing for absintence, we have legal same sex marriages, we have gays in the Armed Forces and while our record on teenage pregnancies isn't good it's more of a social problem (being done deliberately) rather than a lack of sexual awareness one.
I think teaching your children it's better to wait is far better than saying 'don't do it', just have a look through the threads here to see how many people, adults, don't like being told to do or not to do things by governments etc. Like a lot of things sex is best enjoyed when an adult, the enjoyment part however should also be taught, that being in a relationship enhances it, that casual sex for either gender (so many people thing it's fine for sons but not daughters, fathers even proudly grin when their sons have such casual sex) isn't ideal for so many reasons. A value has to be put on having sex and a value put on bodies. We need to have a good look at advertising, sex is used to sell so much but also the images of female bodies is used to give so many girls the idea that being thing is the ideal. We need to engender a sense of worth into young people, they mustn't sell themselves short. They must see sex and their bodies as something not to be abused.

I agree, especially with the part about people relaxing. As for teaching them to wait...sure, that is an option, but then again, how long should they wait? No, I'm not suggesting a 10yr old has sex, but given the way sex is advertised today, I'm sure people aren't going to wait forever. I'd rather see them properly educated, and know what to do, in the event it happens, sooner than later.


Showing them pictures of bodies with STDs etc wont work, young people and some older ones always think it will never happen to them, that's 'other people'. giving them a good sex education which includes all the information they need plus a sense of worth will enable them to make the right decisions. In the end it will come down to that, no amount of scary stories stops people doing things now, people drive withour seatbelts, motorcyclists without crash helmets etc etc all think it won't happen to them. Here we have 'tombstoning' jumping off cliffs, high rocks etc into the ses, there's been deaths and broken necks, there's warning to the young people, they get chased off but they still do it, they know the dangers but carry on because 'it won't happen to them' until it does.

You're right, it probably won't work. Look at all the lectures MADD does, the car crash demos, etc, and yet how many times do the kids still run out and drink?
 

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The problem isn't our sex mores, hell, it's not even our attitude towards sex... it's the parents. American parents failing miserably (by majority not ALL) in raising their children. Fat kids, stupid kids, kids with ADD, kids addicted to games and so on ... also kids having sex earlier than their physical bodies are prepared for it. Like taking a cake out of the oven when the very center is still wet, mushy.
That is what concerns me.

Tired of your anti-American rants by the way.

This is interesting. You're saying its the parents that're failing, yet anytime I've talked about sex ed. in schools, everyone jumps down my throat, telling me it should be the parents job. LOL! This is why I think its a good idea for the schools to do it. But of course, it could be anyone....again...as long as someone does it...someone who can do it properly.
 

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At what age are you talking about? I mean there are girls as young as 11 and 12 getting there period are you suggesting allowing adult grown men to be able to have sex with them? In my state the age of consent is 16 meaning a 16 year old can have sex with a 60 year old if they want and its not a crime as long as the adult is not a teacher or coach or law enforcement officer. 14 and 15 year olds can also have sex as long as the other person is not more then 4 years older. Just because your physically able to have sex does not mean your mentally and emotionally ready for it.

I agree, they aren't ready to have sex, but if you think about it, sex is actually part of a broader continuum of human action. It's like that old Monty Python skit, "don't go leaping straight for the clitoris! Start with a kiss."

For younger teenagers, simply talking to another person in which you are attracted and learning how to interact positively is more then enough. Other forms of intimacy can build around that.

I dont believe the age of consent laws are designed to keep kids from having sex I believe they are designed to keep adults from taking advantage of young people that are not smart enough to know when a 40 year old married guy with 3 kids says he loves you and will leave his wife when the time is right hes really full of crap and just wants to get in your pants.

Anytime an adult takes advantage of a child or young adult, that's vile. Those people should be rightly shunned.

However, consider the following story about my grandmother. In 1939, when she was 14 years old, she met a man who was ten years older. He was in the army and was young and exciting and she had a very difficult relationship with her parents. So, the next year, she ran off with him to Fort Robinson Nebraska and got married. They lived together as husband and wife and he was deployed to the Pacific. After Pearl Harbor, she moved to San Francisco and worked in the factories producing goods for the war effort, in order to support her husband. My grandmother was Rosie the Riveter! When the war ended, he came back and they promptly had six children.

Under today's laws, my grandfather would be considered a sex offender. He would be considered a pariah and would have a legal stigma attached to his name. So, what's the difference between 14-15 year olds then and now?

I think one huge aspect that is being ignored in this discussion is that childhood has been extended far beyond what would be considered natural. There's a reason why so many of the adulthood ceremonies took place right after puberty. In general, these ceremonies meant that you were ready to start learning how to be an adult and would be extended the benefits of adulthood when you were capable of handling the responsibility. This seems to be a much more fair system then we have now. A system where you reach a magic age and suddenly are granted full majority status ignores the fact that sometimes people below that line are ready for them sooner and that some people above that line still aren't ready for majority rights.

The bottom line is that we aren't dealing with children anymore once a child goes through puberty. We need to assume that we might be dealing with responsible young adults. In my experience working with young people, I've found that if you expect teenagers to act like children, they will. However, if you expect them to learn full adult responsibility, give them room to fail and learn, and try again, they quickly learn how to be adults.

Tez3 - maybe you can give us a little insight into how the Bar Mitzvah ties into this. I'm curious.
 

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