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[sinthetik_mistik]

just read a forum on Facebook where a lot of people were basically saying that the Gracies proved that striking is defenseless against grappling and it really bothered me. bothered me so much that it put me in a bad mood. i know i shouldn't care about what people like that are saying but yeah

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

striking is defenseless against grappling ...

IMO, the anti-grappling doesn't exist, but the anti-striking does exist. All you need to do is to wrap your opponent's striking arms. Unless you can knock your opponent down, if a wrestler obtains a clinch and take you down, the striking game stop and the ground game start.

 

[drop bear]

grappling is striking.

But if you want to annoy your mates.

Or wave some statistics at them.
UFC Fight Outcomes by Weight Class – Fight Matrix

And now your day can go more like this.

 

[sinthetik_mistik]

IMO, the anti-grappling doesn't exist, but the anti-striking does exist. All you need to do is to wrap your opponent's striking arms. Unless you can knock your opponent down, if a wrestler obtains a clinch and take you down, the striking game stop and the ground game start.

so there's no way to defend against a bear hug?

 

[WaterGal]

so there's no way to defend against a bear hug?

Not with kicks and punches, not really. Maybe if you have a really good headbutt, lol. The striking defense to bear hug is basically "prevent them from doing it in the first place".

 

[sinthetik_mistik]

Not with kicks and punches, not really. Maybe if you have a really good headbutt, lol. The striking defense to bear hug is basically "prevent them from doing it in the first place".

that's what I meant, there are most definitely ways to prevent a bear hug in the first place

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

so there's no way to defend against a bear hug?

It's relative and not absolute. All counters can be applied

1. before,
2. during, and
3. after.

The difficulty can be 3 > 2 > 1.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

that's what I meant, there are most definitely ways to prevent a bear hug in the first place

- To prevent a bear hug is easy. All you need is to remain striking distance.
- To counter a bear hug is also possible. You can just use both hands to push your opponent's forehead backward (apply pressure on his neck).

But if your opponent can use bear hug to bend your spine backward and crash your structure, it may be too late to apply any counter at that moment.

 

[sinthetik_mistik]

It's relative and not absolute. All counters can be applied

1. before,
2. during, and
3. after.

yeah i meant before. i'll admit, once the bear hug has been applied, your options are pretty limited.

The difficulty can be 3 > 2 > 1.

 

[sinthetik_mistik]

messed up that last post... i'll say it again

It's relative and not absolute. All counters can be applied

1. before,
2. during, and
3. after.

The difficulty can be 3 > 2 > 1.

messed up that last post... i'll say it again.
yeah i meant before. i'll admit, once the bear hug has been applied, your options are pretty limited.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

yeah i meant before. i'll admit, once the bear hug has been applied, your options are pretty limited.

Before is easy. If you can move back faster than your opponent's advance, he cannot knock/take you down.

The concern is when you punch, you have to step in. If your opponent also step in at that moment, your striking range can become his clinching range.

You throw a

- right punch, your opponent also throws a left punch between your right arm and your head.
- left punch, your opponent also throws a right punch between your left arm and your head.

Your opponent's arms are inside of your arms and outside of your head. If he moves in, a clinch will happen.

How to solve that issue from a striker point of view?

 

[CB Jones]

Before is easy. If you can move back faster than your opponent's advance, nobody on earth can knock/take you down.

The concern is when you punch, you have to step in. If your opponent also step in at that moment, your striking range can become his clinching range.

How to solve that issue from a striker point of view?

Shorter punches , footwork. Force your opponent to defend the punches then use your footwork to maintain spacing.

 

[Xue Sheng]

just read a forum on Facebook where a lot of people were basically saying that the Gracies proved that striking is defenseless against grappling and it really bothered me. bothered me so much that it put me in a bad mood. i know i shouldn't care about what people like that are saying but yeah

Lets see if I remember this correctly
Grappling is to defend against kicking and punching
kicking and punching to defend against Qinna
Qinna to defend against Grappling

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Shorter punches , footwork. Force your opponent to defend the punches then use your footwork to maintain spacing.

What's short punch? How to force your opponent to defend your punch?

 

[sinthetik_mistik]

Before is easy. If you can move back faster than your opponent's advance, he cannot knock/take you down.

The concern is when you punch, you have to step in. If your opponent also step in at that moment, your striking range can become his clinching range.

You throw a

- right punch, your opponent also throws a left punch between your right arm and your head.
- left punch, your opponent also throws a right punch between your left arm and your head.

Your opponent's arms are inside of your arms and outside of your head. If he moves in, a clinch will happen.

How to solve that issue from a striker point of view?

yes, defending against a clinch can be tricky... but not impossible. here is a brief article and video of how to defend against it in Muay Thai (which also uses clinches)

Learn How to Defend Against Clinch Entry with Petchboonchu - Muay Thai PROS

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

yes, defending against a clinch can be tricky... but not impossible. here is a brief article and video of how to defend against it in Muay Thai (which also uses clinches)

Learn How to Defend Against Clinch Entry with Petchboonchu - Muay Thai PROS

Of course to defend against a clinch is possible. You just need to have wrestling experience.

The MT clinch is still from a striker point of view. From a wrestler point of view, a clinch is much more complicate.

 

[sinthetik_mistik]

Of course to defend against a clinch is possible. You just need to have wrestling experience.

The MT clinch is still from a striker point of view. From a wrestler point of view, a clinch is much more complicate.

back to the "before it starts" subject, as shown in the.video, you want to avoid getting locked in the clinch in the first place. now i'm not familiar with the differences between MT clinches and Wrestling clinches, but i don't see how it would change avoiding the clinch before it even happens. even in Muay Thai once the clinch is locked in the person on the receiving end of the clinch could be in trouble. but if you can't lock the clinch in the first place, it won't work regardless of what martial art you are using.

 

[Buka]

just read a forum on Facebook where a lot of people were basically saying that the Gracies proved that striking is defenseless against grappling and it really bothered me. bothered me so much that it put me in a bad mood. i know i shouldn't care about what people like that are saying but yeah

Don't let what people say bother you, bro. Especially people marketing something. And most especially on the internet. We all be crazy.

But one great thing came of that....I never saw the Hugh Jackman vid Drop Bear posted. That was way cool.

 

[sinthetik_mistik]

grappling is striking.

But if you want to annoy your mates.

Or wave some statistics at them.
UFC Fight Outcomes by Weight Class – Fight Matrix

And now your day can go more like this.

thanks for the videos and the stats. Hugh Jackman is the man!

 

[sinthetik_mistik]

Don't let what people say bother you, bro. Especially people marketing something. And most especially on the internet. We all be crazy.

But one great thing came of that....I never saw the Hugh Jackman vid Drop Bear posted. That was way cool.

i concur. especially on the Hugh Jackman video. i usually don't let stuff like that bother me but the fact of the matter is I've heard like 300 people say or imply that grappling and BJJ are pretty much invincible. kind of a sore spot for me