Would you rather live in Hiroshima or Detroit?
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The bomb was called Globalism. Ross Perot heard the giant sucking sound of it going off before many other politicians.
There were many 'bombs' in Detroit.
First the riots in 1967:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Detroit_riot
Followed by 'white flight' to the suburbs, then years of elected criminals running the city, and then the collapse of the auto industry.
Detroit was a wonderful city; it is on its knees and trying to survive. Parts of it have experienced a revival; the rest wants to. I don't know if it will happen or not, but it deserves to survive (perhaps in a new form, but survive nonetheless).
The suburbs are mostly terrific around Detroit. Good school systems, low crime, decent neighborhoods, racial and religious diversity, the whole thing. Michigan itself is wonderful. Beautiful, bountiful, and full of wonderful people. I am a recent transplant, but I love it here. It's too bad that photographs of blighted neighborhoods in inner-city Detroit are all many people see of Michigan.
http://www.michigan.org/
First the riots in 1967:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Detroit_riot
Followed by 'white flight' to the suburbs, then years of elected criminals running the city, and then the collapse of the auto industry.
Detroit was a wonderful city; it is on its knees and trying to survive. Parts of it have experienced a revival; the rest wants to. I don't know if it will happen or not, but it deserves to survive (perhaps in a new form, but survive nonetheless).
The suburbs are mostly terrific around Detroit. Good school systems, low crime, decent neighborhoods, racial and religious diversity, the whole thing. Michigan itself is wonderful. Beautiful, bountiful, and full of wonderful people. I am a recent transplant, but I love it here. It's too bad that photographs of blighted neighborhoods in inner-city Detroit are all many people see of Michigan.
http://www.michigan.org/
granfire
Sr. Grandmaster
The average house price was stated at one time at 7500 US Dollars...it came up in the context of tearing down towns and returning them to their rural roots.
Somehow Detroit seems to be a prime candidate for such a project....
And yes, there is snow....But I think I'd rather live in Hiroshima...glowing in the dark and all...
Big Don
Sr. Grandmaster
You'd save a fortune on light bulbs...
There are many houses in Detroit that are available for $1,000. Many for $500. A lot of them have been stripped for copper, so they'd need a lot of rehab to make them habitable again. And even then, it would be quite dangerous to live there; for some more than for others.
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-06-17/..._1_cope-neighborhood-hurricane-proof?_s=PM:US
Nevertheless, many have taken advantage of the economic climate and done great things.
http://www.freep.com/article/20110127/COL20/101270314/Word-mouth-Ribs-come-quicker-Slows-Go
Brian Perrone and his partner bought a run-down building near the old (and soon to be torn down) Tiger Stadium in Corktown and opened a restaurant, Slows BBQ. They're doing fine; could not have done it where real estate prices were much higher; Detroit's low prices allowed them to become established.
Snow? Yeah, we got it. We also have not one, not two, not three, but FOUR of the Great Lakes bordering us - more miles of lakefront shoreline than any other state. Cheap real estate means great bargains in remote cabins; hunting, fishing, and just vacationing in a winter wonderland with four-season sports from skiing to fishing to hunting to hiking to you name it.
Michigan is one of the corridors of bird migration; we get great views of all the wonderful birds that migrate north and south; we have a fantastic (if short) growing season and fertile land; we have a thriving wine industry, local beer and hard liquor making. We grow many varieties of fruit and the 'local food' industry is going great guns in Michigan. Our 'Eastern Market' in Detroit is one of the finest farmer's markets in the country - not just for the size, but for the diversity; due to the many countries that auto workers were imported from, you can get everything here; from halal to kosher to middle-eastern spices and eastern-european delicacies as well as traditional German, Chinese, Italian, Mexican and Jewish cuisine.
Seriously, anyone who disses Michigan hasn't spent any time here. It's a great place. I guess I should be glad that people believe their prejudices about it; keeps prices low for people who can appreciate all Michigan has to offer, like me.
Michigan rules.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wigwam/sets/
1. Because the bomb was detonated in the atmosphere there is very little residual radiation in Hiroshima.
2. Hiroshima today is a beautiful city.
3. Detroit is an industrial city with the associated drawbacks.
Give me Hiroshima.
Interesting aside. After the early testing of atomic bombs in the US many Americans died as well from radiation relatedcancers.
2. Hiroshima today is a beautiful city.
3. Detroit is an industrial city with the associated drawbacks.
Give me Hiroshima.
Interesting aside. After the early testing of atomic bombs in the US many Americans died as well from radiation relatedcancers.
http://www.whyfiles.org/020radiation/index.php?g=4.txtIn 1963, the U.S. and the Soviet Union halted atmospheric testing due to worries over fallout, after widespread exposure to radiation in fallout. According to a 2002 study by the U.S. National Center for Environmental Health, almost all Americans born since 1951 carry radioactive contamination from aboveground nuclear bombs tests. The report blamed very roughly 11,000 cancer deaths on the fallout.
The fallout, from more than 400 Cold War atmospheric bomb tests, include the radioactive isotopes strontium 90, which bonds to bones, and iodine 131, which causes thyroid cancer. A previous study by the National Cancer Institute estimated that 11,300 to 212,000 thyroid cancers resulted from atmospheric testing. Most thyroid cancers are curable.
granfire
Sr. Grandmaster
yep.
Compared to that, my first ever house was in the high rent district....20k....
(naturally, average means there are a lot of houses bringing it down)
This Chrysler commercial during the Super Bowl had me thinking of this thread and, in particular, Bill's comments.
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We measure snow in feet here too. Its nice being on this side of the glass, lemmetellya.
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Its really quite sad, they're are some many beautiful building falling down....
Just curious: Deserves to survive, or deserves the opportunity to survive?
SenseiMattKlein
White Belt
I'm sure if you looked hard enough, you would find beautiful areas within any city, and not so beautiful areas. In general, I think the Japanese take more pride in their neighborhoods than most Americans. Their culture recognizes and values the beauty of nature.
I'd live in neither nor any other city. I like the countryside, the slower pace of life and the friendlier people as well as less traffic, less noise and generally a better quality of life I like. I think it's much the same for most cities and most country areas whereever you go in the world. Ther is often less money in the countryside but other things make up for that like growing your own fruit and veg, hearing the birds sing then shooting them for dinner etc etc.
Well said. The latter. Thanks.
Yes on the first part, no on the second. I lived in Okinawa in the early 1980's. Clean it wasn't. Pretty it wasn't. Stinking, polluted, run-down and filled with garbage, it was. As you said, every city has good parts and bad parts. But no, the Japanese are not particularly different from us in terms of the value they place on the beauty of nature, particularly in the most recent generations.
The grass always tends to look greener (no pun intended) on the other side. We tend to denigrate our own cultures and look with envy at the culture of others. I've spent a lot of time overseas in non-touristy areas and I don't buy that anymore. People are people; filthy, vile, unspeakably cruel, and also clean, decent and wonderfully kind. Doesn't seem to be attached to any one culture that I know of.
Yeah, I was thinking of this thread when I saw this on the news this morning (didn't watch the Superbowl). Great commercial, and I'm not a huge fan of the way the new cars look. I wanted the cars to look better. But the commercial itself cuts right to the heart of the matter; I know all those streets, I've been everywhere that commercial shows. It's the heart of Detroit. Good, bad, all of it.
As a transplant, I can't speak for Detroiters. But I think Detroit matters.
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
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