"Why I left America"

[Tez3]

http://www.bidstrup.com/exile.htm


I'm off on nights, see you in the morning

 

[Archangel M]

http://www.bidstrup.com/exile.htm


I'm off on nights, see you in the morning

I've long contended that America is headed for a fascist dictatorship, and have said so publicly on this web site as long ago as 1996. Yet, while many people, from across the political spectrum, have agreed with me in theory, they don't seem to think that serious repression that will inevitably accompany the fascism will ever happen in their lifetimes - a clear case of denial, based on my own personal, recent experiences with death threats (which I traced to government IP addresses), illegal secret searches of my home, and monitoring trucks openly parked in front of my house for days at a stretch, and even an attempt on my life after I fled into exile. What finally convinced me I was right, and convinced me to flee into exile, was when a fellow webmaster, whose site was no more seditious than mine, even if rhetorically more inflammatory, was arrested and convincted on a trumped up terrorism charge

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[Big Don]

Wow. What a load of crap. Unlike Cuba, which the left loves to celebrate, no official of the US government will stop anyone from leaving. Don't let the door hit you in the *** on the way out. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Can I borrow that guy's hat? I need some tinfoil...

 

[Archangel M]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Bidstrup

Scott Bidstrup (b. 12 January 1949 in Idaho Falls, Idaho) is an anti-capitalist, a skeptic and a self-taught electronics specialist who has written essays on a range of topics. The youngest of four siblings, he is a self-declared gay activist who suffers from Asperger's syndrome. Bidstrup currently lives in Tobosi, El Guarco, Costa Rica.[1]

 

[Big Don]

who suffers from Asperger's syndrome.

That isn't the only thing he suffers from... He left America, for the same reason he does everything else, he is mentally unbalanced.

 

[Makalakumu]

If you are thinking about leaving, it's not as simple as you might think. Another country has to WANT you to be there. And then there is the fact that you are leaving people you love behind when you know what we're really looking at. IMO, it's selfish to not try and change it and it's stupid to not make plans in case your political activity fails. IMO, America isn't a lost cause yet.

 

[crushing]

With Goldman Sachs pretty much taking over, I doubt he will be coming back anytime soon.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Bahamas and Bermuda want you to have a million bucks cash before they'll hand over citizenship. New Zealand's not as much but they have more paperwork. Belize is only a couple hundred bucks, plus some background and medical tests.

What? Canada's ok, but it's too zarkin cold there now.

 

[Tez3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Bidstrup

Sounds like a fun guy

Would any of you consider seriously someone ( not this guy necessarily) who said America was turning into a fascist state and think about it or would you dismiss it out of hand thinking it's impossible?

 

[ballen0351]

Sounds like a fun guy

Would any of you consider seriously someone ( not this guy necessarily) who said America was turning into a fascist state and think about it or would you dismiss it out of hand thinking it's impossible?

Well since Fascism is normally considered the far right of the political spectrim and 2 years ago we elected the most far left president we have ever had Im pretty sure were not turing into a fascist state. I also think the American people are to divided to ever be a true fascist state.

 

[Tez3]

Well since Fascism is normally considered the far right of the political spectrim and 2 years ago we elected the most far left president we have ever had Im pretty sure were not turing into a fascist state. I also think the American people are to divided to ever be a true fascist state.

It's interesting that to you Obama is left, to the rest of the world he's seen as conservative, we don't see you as having any left leaning politicians or at least none that have come to notice on the world stage. I think our ideas of what constitutes liberalism, socialism and conservatism are poles apart from each other. Like the word 'fanny' socialism has a whole different meaning to you than us.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

"It's a big fat fanny" means such different things in English and Amerish.
LOL

 

[crushing]

The US political spectrum definately has me confounded. I'm not sure anymore if I lean towards the authoritarian-anarchists of the left or towards the anarcho-authoritarians on the right.

 

[Big Don]

It's interesting that to you Obama is left, to the rest of the world he's seen as conservative,

It's just as I always suspected, the rest of the world is on CRACK.

 

[Tez3]

It's just as I always suspected, the rest of the world is on CRACK.

As I said somewhere else on here, this is the land of 'I'm right and you're wrong'.

 

[ballen0351]

It's interesting that to you Obama is left, to the rest of the world he's seen as conservative, we don't see you as having any left leaning politicians or at least none that have come to notice on the world stage. I think our ideas of what constitutes liberalism, socialism and conservatism are poles apart from each other. Like the word 'fanny' socialism has a whole different meaning to you than us.

So who would you consider Left leaning?

 

[Tez3]

So who would you consider Left leaning?

I thik we all go by what we have experience of. Obama, Clinton etc seem to be akin to David Cameron's Conservatism while the Bush's are akin to Thatcher's. You don't seem to have a party that is even close to our Labour Party. Obama may seem to be more British and European Liberal which is nothing like your liberals, here Churchill was Liberal. I can't see anything Socialist about any of your politicans, not compared to ours.
Liberalism here has a long and hounourable past, it's the centre party here, it wants citizens rights, less government etc etc which sounds nothing like what your 'liberals' seem to say. Your politicians seem to be varying degrees of the Right with some who stray to the centre but no one that we could point to and recognise as being of the left.

 

[Sukerkin]

So who would you consider Left leaning?

This man is the one that leapt to my mind at that question.

http://www.attlee.org.uk/the-foundation/about-clem-attlee/

There haven't been many who have more than a little left-of-centre since then. Mostly, other than Mrs. 'Adolf' Thatcher, who was more to the Right than most (being in the pocket of very rich business interests) we have had parties in power that have squabbled over the slightly-to-the-right-of-the-middle territory in their public debate.

 

[ballen0351]

This man is the one that leapt to my mind at that question.

http://www.attlee.org.uk/the-foundation/about-clem-attlee/

There haven't been many who have more than a little left-of-centre since then. Mostly, other than Mrs. 'Adolf' Thatcher, who was more to the Right than most (being in the pocket of very rich business interests) we have had parties in power that have squabbled over the slightly-to-the-right-of-the-middle territory in their public debate.

He reminds me of Chavez from Venezuela from that little bit I read on him

 

[Tez3]

He reminds me of Chavez from Venezuela from that little bit I read on him

Good grief no! Attlee was what is now out of fashion, a man who believed in doing his duty and doing the best for the people of his country. He's possibly the best Prime Minister we've ever had.

http://www.number10.gov.uk/history-and-tour/prime-ministers-in-history/clement-attlee

I love this quote of his.

“Often the experts make the worst possible ministers in their own fields. In this country we prefer rule by amateurs”
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