You said you wanted a weapon you could carry. I don't see that here. You said you were interested in locks not striking, but you've posted only videos of striking.
What exactly are you seeking?
You said you wanted a weapon you could carry. I don't see that here. You said you were interested in locks not striking, but you've posted only videos of striking.
What exactly are you seeking?
Juany118
Senior Master
I was only responding, with the 3 section staff, to @Charlemagne mentioning it. For me personally, you are of course correct.
In that case, might I suggest rope?
I was introduced recently to the self-defense aspects of the sarong. Whilst most of us don't wear sarongs these days, one could substitute a shirt, towel, or rope.
I was actually spending some time after the seminar I attended thinking about how I might apply what I had learned using a dog leash, a belt, or a camera strap.
Those are improvised weapons which I doubt anyone would object to you carrying (depending on circumstances) and which could be used to trap, lock, choke, immobilize, etc.
oftheherd1
Senior Master
Kook Sul Won is another.
Juany118
Senior Master
Agreed. I actually noted using a belt in a previous response. I actually have used a belt, once, when off duty to assist another officer when I stumbled upon his car stop that went sideways. Somehow his cuffs went flying so it was belt time.
lklawson
Grandmaster
The three section staff is probably the most dangerous weapon to use for the unexperienced. On the other hand it's probably the most amusing weapon to watch the unexperienced use as long as you are out of the way when they throw it after they realise that twirling it around was the easy bit, stopping it not so much. 
This is one of the skills that a person could just do 3 or 4 pieces from the form to make someone think twice about trying to fight you that day. The good thing is that you can train with honest effort and learn how to use the 3 section staff to a point where you can actually use it to defend yourself. While it may not look as smooth as in the video, it will still be more than enough to use in self defense.LOL I was trying to be polite, but now imagine some with this skill using the same concepts in a real fight.
The principles are sound, it's just the amount of training necessary is impractical for your average real world martial artist (meaning one who needs a "day job")
Flying Crane
Sr. Grandmaster
I wonder what real advantage the three-section staff has. It is recognized as being difficult to learn and prone to cause injury along the way. So there must be some advantage that it holds, to make it worth the trouble. Just what that is, I don't know.
Concealability? I don't think so, the segments are pretty long, much much bigger than nunchaku, for example.
Concealability? I don't think so, the segments are pretty long, much much bigger than nunchaku, for example.
Juany118
Senior Master
I think it's two fold. First though let me say I see it in the context of a battle field weapon. So what do we have.
1. a weapon that can be used a kin to having a baston in either hand.
2. A weapon that can be used to trap/wrap.
3. A weapon that can also be used with expanding ranges, close as in #1. Double that by only having one section reaching out, triple it by going all out.
So in essence one could argue its like having 4 weapons on one platform. You have a trapping weapon, a peasant flail, an regular flail and two baston.
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I have always love the adage of "It is better to have and not need then to need and not have." I have a problem with carrying a gun in a lot of places. I am military currently and am planning on going back to school to get in to the medical sector. That prevents my from carrying my gun.
And thanks everyone for the responses.
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For those of us who travel a lot, even this isn't a good answer. I can't always expect to check luggage on my return trip (timing issues), which means no guns when flying. And there are still states where I couldn't legally carry concealed or open, even if I still had my CCW. And in many places in some states, the weapon is prohibited by either law or by the tenant. In NC, for example, no guns at anything anyone paid to attend, and any store owner can post a sign prohibiting weapons - and most large stores do. It got to the point that I couldn't depend upon having the gun with me at any point, so I simply stopped carrying it, at all. It wasn't a dependable part of my self-protection outside my home.
punisher731
Senior Master
Get a big magazine, like Cigar Afficienado, and roll it up very tight. Hits hard like a baton and very legal to carry.
Get a Cross (metal) pen and you have a heavy duty kubaton type device that is also legal (my advice is to stay away from the "tactical pens" that are out there, they look like that are a writing weapon and will just draw attention--no pun intended).
As Mr. Mattocks pointed out, using an obi or sarong as a flexible weapon is easy to carry and use.
One of the more unique things I have witnessed, is my instructor always wears slip on dress shoes the majority of time when he is out and about. I have watched him use the sweep step from Naihanchi kata and remove the shoe and insert his hand into the shoe and use that as a counter weapon.
Get a Cross (metal) pen and you have a heavy duty kubaton type device that is also legal (my advice is to stay away from the "tactical pens" that are out there, they look like that are a writing weapon and will just draw attention--no pun intended).
As Mr. Mattocks pointed out, using an obi or sarong as a flexible weapon is easy to carry and use.
One of the more unique things I have witnessed, is my instructor always wears slip on dress shoes the majority of time when he is out and about. I have watched him use the sweep step from Naihanchi kata and remove the shoe and insert his hand into the shoe and use that as a counter weapon.
oaktree
Master of Arts
Speaking of pens do carry with me one of those pen knifes look and feel just like a pen my boss borrows it from me often though don't use through metal detector. A friend of mine use to carry with him one of those little bats made of wood novelty types , my dad use to sleep with a hammer under his pillow and his hand on it ready to throw it at anyone who open the bed room door.
Juany118
Senior Master
Some companies are now making "board room" acceptable tactical pens though like\
Beretta TKX Tactical Pen
and this one isn't bad either...
UZI Tactical Glassbreaker Pen #8 - Black
but yeah the one I use at work
UZI Tacpen 6 ā 2 models
not so much lol
punisher731
Senior Master
I still think they look like "tactical pens". They look like you want to stab someone with it and using the "but it's a pen" excuse.
Why not something like this?
Cross Edge Titanium Rollerball Pen, Medium Point, Black/Chrome | StaplesĀ®
Titanium pen and only $29, half the price. It looks like a pen.
Juany118
Senior Master
Two things, first I said they were tac pens. Next look at the Italian with the cap on. That is think is the big thing on that one. That said pen #2 (don't actually own the Beretta) Can't tell you how many times my carry on back pack has had that next to my Mont Blanc and passed TSA.
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Saheim
Green Belt
Why? Simple - there are people in this world whose sole job is creating laws. All of the good laws have already been made - Don't murder, rob, rape, etc. These lawmakers do not want the gravy train to stop, so they have to get really silly and try to come up with more laws. On the upside, for them, they get about 160K a year to create foolishness.
(imho) The two best tools you can carry are OC (pepper spray) and a handgun. This way you have both lethal and less lethal option. Also, you can show a "progression of force", if it comes down to it.
If I'm not mistaken (experts chime in) most of the martial arts "weapons" were improvised farming tools due to the tight restrictions places on weapons. This innovative spirit can be applied to today's world, as well. If you are unlucky enough to live in an area that strips you of your basic right to be prepared to defend yourself (gun laws), you can find "tools" that can be utilized for defense. The same way those who came before did with their farming equipment. Have a spare tire? Then having a tire iron makes sense. A baseball bat by itself, in your back seat is suspicious. However, a baseball, a bat, and a catcher's mitt in your back seat will raise few eyebrows.
I'm lucky enough to live in a state that treats all non firearm laws the same - it is legal to carry them openly and, if you have a concealed weapon permit, you can carry them concealed. I do have a permit and, legally, could carry whatever type of "martial arts weapon" I wanted, concealed. Personally, I opt for the OC and handgun
(imho) The two best tools you can carry are OC (pepper spray) and a handgun. This way you have both lethal and less lethal option. Also, you can show a "progression of force", if it comes down to it.
If I'm not mistaken (experts chime in) most of the martial arts "weapons" were improvised farming tools due to the tight restrictions places on weapons. This innovative spirit can be applied to today's world, as well. If you are unlucky enough to live in an area that strips you of your basic right to be prepared to defend yourself (gun laws), you can find "tools" that can be utilized for defense. The same way those who came before did with their farming equipment. Have a spare tire? Then having a tire iron makes sense. A baseball bat by itself, in your back seat is suspicious. However, a baseball, a bat, and a catcher's mitt in your back seat will raise few eyebrows.
I'm lucky enough to live in a state that treats all non firearm laws the same - it is legal to carry them openly and, if you have a concealed weapon permit, you can carry them concealed. I do have a permit and, legally, could carry whatever type of "martial arts weapon" I wanted, concealed. Personally, I opt for the OC and handgun
