Which combo is easier to do and why?

[Kung Fu Wang137 167]

If you drill the following 2 combos (different punches) 20 times non-stop,

1. Right hook, right back fist, left uppercut.
2. Right jab, right jab, left cross.

You will feel that combo 1 will take less energy (easier to do) than combo 2.

If you also drill the following 2 combos (same punches but different order),

1. Right hook, left hook, right jab, left cross.
2. Right jab, left cross, right hook, left hook.

You will also feel that combo 1 will take less energy (easier to do) than combo 2.

Why? What do you think the difference can be? Your thought?

 

[Badhabits]

Well on number 1 of the second set of combos- you get to use more "springing back" from your previous punch to power your next punch so you use less energy.
Number 1 of the first set of combos- once you reverse direction from the right hook, you have energy flowing in the right direction to power the next two strikes so would take less energy to perform.

 

[Kung Fu Wang137 167]

you get to use more "springing back" from your previous punch to power your next punch so you use less energy.

You are right on this. If you can borrow the end of your previous move (releasing) as the beginning of your current move (compressing), your transition will be smooth and easier. If you start with a jab, since the compressing time is too short, you won't get a full releasing.

The end of your current move should be the beginning of your next move. If you design your form this way, your form will always go through smoothly with less effort.

 

[wab25]

You are right on this. If you can borrow the end of your previous move (releasing) as the beginning of your current move (compressing), your transition will be smooth and easier. If you start with a jab, since the compressing time is too short, you won't get a full releasing.

The end of your current move should be the beginning of your next move. If you design your form this way, your form will always go through smoothly with less effort.

Are you really saying that we should never start with a jab?

 

[Kung Fu Wang137 167]

Are you really saying that we should never start with a jab?

I didn't say that. I'm saying a full compressed move can have a full released move. A jab is usually to be used for setting up.

Here is the power vs. speed contradiction in MA. Jab is fast because it has less compressing. But jab is also weak (compare to other punches) because it has less compressing.

To have full compressing for each move can make training more comfortable and easier.

 

[wab25]

Most strikers teach to jab first. The famous 1-2 punch is jab - straight... Both of your "slow" combos are basic boxing combos... Leading with a hook, especially a lead side hook has high risk, it can leave you very open to a counter... it can work, but there is a big down side if you miss. Teddy Atlas teaches to never lead with a hook... but what does he know???

All of your listed combos should be easy to do and should flow. If you find 2 of them to be slower or harder to do.... maybe you need to look at how you are doing them... maybe something is off... Double jab, straight even triple jab, straight should be very easy, natural and quick. Jab, straight, hook, hook should also be very easy, flows very well and is very fast... if done right.

 

[marvin8]

I didn't say that. I'm saying a full compressed move can have a full released move. A jab is usually to be used for setting up.

Here is the power vs. speed contradiction in MA. Jab is fast because it has less compressing. But jab is also weak (compare to other punches) because it has less compressing.

To have full compressing for each move can make training more comfortable and easier.

How does the right back fist, left uppercut compress and release but the right jab, left cross does not?

 

[Kung Fu Wang137 167]

a lead side hook has high risk, it can leave you very open to a counter...

This is why in CMA, a leading hook usually follows with a same arm leading back fist if your opponent dodges under your hook. Your followed up back fist can be used to wrap your opponent's attacking arm. This is one of my favor tricks. When I use a leading hook, my opponent usually come backs with a hook (after my hook). If I reverse my hook, I can wrap his hooking arm most of the time. The hook punch can be the best tool to switch a striking game into a grappling game.

 

[Kung Fu Wang137 167]

How does the right back fist, left uppercut compress and release but the right jab, left cross does not?

The

- right back fist has a full compressing at the end of previous right hook.
- left uppercut has a full compressing at the end of previous right back fist.
- left cross has a full compressing at the end of previous right jab.
- right jab has no full compressing.

 

[wab25]

right jab has no full compressing.

Thats because you are arm punching.... using only your arms to punch. Right jab and left jab have a full compression, but the compression is in your legs and weight, not in your arm. The power comes from your weight transferring to the front foot... the compression is your back leg preparing to launch your weight to your front foot.

 

[Kung Fu Wang137 167]

Thats because you are arm punching.... using only your arms to punch. Right jab and left jab have a full compression, but the compression is in your legs and weight, not in your arm. The power comes from your weight transferring to the front foot... the compression is your back leg preparing to launch your weight to your front foot.

All punches use the method as you have described. Jab is the only punch without using body rotation (compress).

 

[wab25]

See the basic way to throw a jab here.... hip rotation is what generates the power when throwing a static jab. That hip rotation is also in a stepping jab, where you push off the back foot and step forward... you do the hip rotation.

 

[Badhabits]

Yeah, hip rotation and using legs to snap the body forward a little for a jab. Can get a good deal of power in that punch. Really ought to be able to knock some people senseless with a good hit.

 

[Badhabits]

Anyone else partial to an inverted jab to the chin? Fist lands with fingers facing up. Comes in at a different angle and moves the other guys head up and back. Great punch.

 

[Kung Fu Wang137 167]

Jab is a good wake up punch. After you have landed your jab on your opponent's face, your opponent then realizes that a fight has just started.

 

[HighKick]

Jab is a good wake up punch. After you have landed your jab on your opponent's face, your opponent then realizes that a fight has just started.

I could be a slow starter at competitions sometimes. I would let my opponent give me a good jab to wake me up.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf136 1]

If you drill the following 2 combos (different punches) 20 times non-stop,

1. Right hook, right back fist, left uppercut.
2. Right jab, right jab, left cross.

You will feel that combo 1 will take less energy (easier to do) than combo 2.

If you also drill the following 2 combos (same punches but different order),

1. Right hook, left hook, right jab, left cross.
2. Right jab, left cross, right hook, left hook.

You will also feel that combo 1 will take less energy (easier to do) than combo 2.

Why? What do you think the difference can be? Your thought?

I disagree with your assumption here. Let's say each flowing move takes .5 of a non-flowing move.

A right hook - right back fist - left uppercut is 1 - .5 (flowing from your position) .75 (somewhat flowing, not completely). So comes out to 2.25.

Versus right jab - 1, right jab - .75 (since we're repeating the movement) left cross - .5. Which comes out to 2.25. WhIch comes out to the same number and depending on the person may be equally easy/hard/same energy.

Personally, I find a double jab and cross much easier energy-wise than a hook, backfist and uppercut.

Regarding the second, since its a difference in order, I tested out. I found the opposite of what you're saying - I'm assuming right foot forward based on the jab/cross. If I throw the two hooks first, it takes more energy since I'm not starting from a hook position. Versus throwing a hook from a cross, I'm already in a position where the hook springs from my body.

 

[Kung Fu Wang137 167]

Regarding the second, since its a difference in order, I tested out. I found the opposite of what you're saying - I'm assuming right foot forward based on the jab/cross. If I throw the two hooks first, it takes more energy since I'm not starting from a hook position. Versus throwing a hook from a cross, I'm already in a position where the hook springs from my body.

Let's talk about the 2nd.

With right leg forward, let's compare:

- right hook, left cross, and
- right jab, left hook.

When I throw

- right hook, my body rotate to my left. This makes my left cross starting point farther back (compress). This extra distance can help my left cross (release). My right hook helps my left cross.
- right jab, since my body is moving forward and not rotating, I need to change my forward momentum into body rotation. My right jab doesn't help my left hook.

A circular punch helps a straight punch. A straight punch doesn't help a circular punch.

In the 1st, the first jab doesn't help the 2nd jab (jab, jab don't flow smoothly). But right hook helps right back fist and right back fist help left uppercut (hook, back fist, uppercut flow smoothly).

 

[Anarax]

Though there are different hooks to be used at different angles and ranges, I tend to favor the shorter version to the body. I would favor the jab + cross to setup the body hooks.

 

[Kung Fu Wang137 167]

Though there are different hooks to be used at different angles and ranges, I tend to favor the shorter version to the body. I would favor the jab + cross to setup the body hooks.

My definition of a hook may be more general.

- You use the inside edge of your forearm to hit behind your opponent's head, or
- You use your hook to knock down your opponent's jab/cross.

This may be more than just to use hook to hit on your opponent's head with your fist area.

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