What MA cliches wind you up?

ballen0351 said:
Yeah the always popular and never accurate 9 out of 10
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No need to be crass. It's a stupid quote, it bothers me and at least one other here. It encourages "the survive at all costs" mindset which is ignorant of extenuating circumstances. The OP is about cliches that we don't care for. It's subjective.
 
Mephisto said:
No need to be crass. It's a stupid quote, it bothers me and at least one other here. It encourages "the survive at all costs" mindset which is ignorant of extenuating circumstances. The OP is about cliches that we don't care for. It's subjective.
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I think though it depends on what you think the clichés that you don't care for mean. Here we have different views on what they mean, perhaps if it meant something different from what you thought it did, it wouldn't annoy you ( or would if it didn't annoy you before lol)

If you don't believe in the 'survive at all costs' mind set would you advocate dying then as an alternative to surviving and perhaps breaking the law by doing so? I'm curious.
 
ballen0351 said:
I've never heard it to justify anything like that
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Well I have.
Tez3 said:
I would suggest then that these instructors are very poor and so likely to provide poor instruction as they are clearly not teaching proper self defence techniques if they have to exhort their students to overkill.
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Well it's common place.

ballen0351 said:
I dont know where you train but I have never had an instructor teach me anything to "please the crowd" Also Ive never taught anyone to use over kill.
What "people like to feel deadly" ?
Ive heard this quote 1000s of times and NEVER in the situations you describe. You may need to find better places to train
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If you're not familiar with crowd pleaser techniques you're lucky. I've been to many seminars and seen a lot of crap.
 
Mephisto said:
No need to be crass. It's a stupid quote, it bothers me and at least one other here. It encourages "the survive at all costs" mindset which is ignorant of extenuating circumstances. The OP is about cliches that we don't care for. It's subjective.
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Not being crass those are his words not mine. If you cant tell the difference between "survival at all costs" and murder you have bigger problems then not liking a little quote
I can tell your right now "Ill survive at all costs"
 
ballen0351 said:
Not being crass those are his words not mine. If you cant tell the difference between "survival at all costs" and murder you have bigger problems then not liking a little quote
I can tell your right now "Ill survive at all costs"
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Those weren't my words at all as I already pointed out
 
ballen0351 said:
Not being crass those are his words not mine. If you cant tell the difference between "survival at all costs" and murder you have bigger problems then not liking a little quote
I can tell your right now "Ill survive at all costs"
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Sometimes the line is finer than you might think. I'll survive and I'll avoid prison.

ballen0351 said:
go to better seminars
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Okay.....
 
Tez3 said:
I think though it depends on what you think the clichés that you don't care for mean. Here we have different views on what they mean, perhaps if it meant something different from what you thought it did, it wouldn't annoy you ( or would if it didn't annoy you before lol)

If you don't believe in the 'survive at all costs' mind set would you advocate dying then as an alternative to surviving and perhaps breaking the law by doing so? I'm curious.
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it is a kill at no cost that becomes an issue.

why stop an actual threat when you can stop a potential threat? I mean it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

actually this might be easier just to do the enter the dojo clip.
 
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Mephisto said:
I do, that's why I think the quote in "mention is ignorant. You don't want to end up in a courtroom, if you operate lawfully you'll have less to worry about.
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You can operate lawfully, and wind up in a courtroom. :rolleyes:
Oh, and "my hands are registered weapons."
 
ballen0351 said:
Seems its only being misinterpreted by a select few:rolleyes:
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Sorry -- but I've heard and come across it used way more to justify inappropriate and unjustifiable use of force than to suggest that you should only use reasonable force. I've seen it used way too often to cut short and ignore any serious discussion of the legal realities and issues related to the use of force, as well. It's a phrase I detest. Personally, I'd rather avoid either option by understanding and teaching the legal issues, as well as the physical.
 
jks9199 said:
Sorry -- but I've heard and come across it used way more to justify inappropriate and unjustifiable use of force than to suggest that you should only use reasonable force. I've seen it used way too often to cut short and ignore any serious discussion of the legal realities and issues related to the use of force, as well. It's a phrase I detest. Personally, I'd rather avoid either option by understanding and teaching the legal issues, as well as the physical.
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Where? Where have you ever heard someone do use unnecessary force then say that? I hope if they did you took them in front of a jury of 12.
 
drop bear said:
it is a kill at no cost that becomes an issue.

why stop an actual threat when you can stop a potential threat? I mean it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

actually this might be easier just to do the enter the dojo clip.
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Who said kill? That saying doesn't mean kill. If all it costs to stop the threat is a few broken ribs then you give a few broken ribs. If all it costs is a verbal threat you make the threat. If all if cost to stop the threat to to kill the you kill. No more no less. You use the most force you need no more and no less.

I find it a little odd all these "trained" martial artists can't tell the difference between self defense and murder or assault.
 
ballen0351 said:
Where? Where have you ever heard someone do use unnecessary force then say that? I hope if they did you took them in front of a jury of 12.
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Three people have now informed you that we've heard this particular phrase used inappropriately. Why are you so unwilling to accept this? Is it that inconceivable that other people have different experiences to your own?
 
How about:
"After you train here, there will be no neighborhood where you won't be safe..."
 
Reeksta said:
Three people have now informed you that we've heard this particular phrase used inappropriately. Why are you so unwilling to accept this? Is it that inconceivable that other people have different experiences to your own?
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It inconceivable that you all are trained martial artists and can't tell the difference between self defense and committing a crime. Your reading more into the phrase then is actually there. Saying the phrase is equal it "stabbing a guy on the ground" or killing someone just to kill them is silly and I'd hope you were mature enough to know the difference
 
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