what does your dojang teach?

WaterGal

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Interesting discussion here. I wonder how much of the differences we're all seeing have to do with local norms, particularly to do with the particular Korean teachers that came to your particular area to open a school.

None of the KKW-style schools I'm familiar with teach any significant amount of grappling as part of their TKD program. If they teach it at all, they offer it as a separate program (Hapkido, Judo, etc) or class.

But I think that's because the Korean teachers that came/come to this area were basically all ex-sparring champions, K-Tigers, etc, so they naturally have a strong sport focus. (I'm not sure if that's just chance, if having sport credentials helps you with the visa process, or what.) So their school and the teachers they taught are going to be that way too.

In other places, the teachers that immigrated there might have had a different focus and teach different things.
 

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WaterGal, I think what you're seeing is a lot of the differences between schools.

When I did TKD as a kid, it was mainly techniques, forms, and sparring. We learned a few self defense techniques here or there, but they were kind of extra instead of standard curriculum.

There was another school that a friend went to that was basically a dance studio (you didn't start sparring until brown belt). It was all technique and forms.

If you go to a school where the focus is on the art aspect (poomsae and techniques) and/or the sport aspect (point sparring, maybe breaking), chances are you won't see much grappling. That doesn't mean that TKD does not have grappling techniques. Just like how if I go to the produce store and they don't have apples, it doesn't mean that apples aren't fruit.
 

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Is my opinion. We have very different ideas of what grappling is. Maybe I should have said effective offensive/defensive grappling with the intent to engage your partner by clinching, taking them down, achieving a dominant position and either apply a submission or beating them til they give up or are unconsciois.That is how I define grappling. Does that work for you?

You're welcome to define words in whatever way makes you happy. But I do think it's a lot easier to communicate if we all use the standard definitions, rather than inventing our own. After all, mumble dogface banana patch ramalamadingdong. Don't you agree?

And as it turns out, according to a link MAist25 just posted (from the KKW itself) you're wrong about there not being grappling within KKW TKD too.

Or are you going to insist that you're right and the KKW is wrong?
 

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Maybe the KKW doesn't know what they teach?

(Says the devil's advocate who's grasping for straws).
You're welcome to define words in whatever way makes you happy. But I do think it's a lot easier to communicate if we all use the standard definitions, rather than inventing our own. After all, mumble dogface banana patch ramalamadingdong. Don't you agree?

Much better wording than what I said!
 

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