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just a quick question...
what weapons are you taiji people working with......and do you have a preference?
what weapons are you taiji people working with......and do you have a preference?
Originally posted by Taiji fan
What style of fan and sword do you work with........why is sword your favourite!
Originally posted by chufeng
I have a question for those who use weapons...
Why?
What do you get out of it?
Do you really think you'll ever use a bladed weapon in actual combat?
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chufeng
I have a question for those who use weapons...Why?
What do you get out of it? Do you really think you'll ever use a bladed weapon in actual combat?
Sword was my first weapon too and although it is probably still my favourite, I like working with fan. I like the staccato effect, cracking it open like a gun shot and then its closed before you realise what it you......the fan is a nice concealed weapon, you are delicately cooling yourself down and the next minute bang, its a formidable weapon....... I bet you don't look silly doing fan at all, I know plenty blokes who study fan and they all look 'fan' tastic pardon the pun!The sword is probably my favorite for two reasons, one was because it was my first TC weapon, and the second is because it's more "manly" than the fan. I probably look silly doing the fan form.
the other way round, the sword is an extension of the barehand practice it has to keep exactly the same principles...Do any of you apply the lessons of the sword to empty hands?
directing energy? I am concerntrating on the presiscion of the weapon...getting it and my body in the right place at the right time......there is so much talk of 'directing the energy' in taijiquan that people create all sorts of weird an wonderful ideas opn this....like one guy I knew used to contract one side of his anus in a bid to control and move his energy....I thought it was more likely he was talking out of his anus....what taijiquan students need to understand is that the energy (and I hate that term almost as much as Qi as they have both been responsible for bringing about the new age tai cheeee stuff) is activated when you body is lined up correctly and your timing is correct and your spirit is engaged. You don't have to visualise it moving or ...send energy anywhere correct practise does that for you.my teacher focused on chen and explained that the weapons allow you to direct energy through specific points, such as the tip of the jian.
I am going to base my answers based on Jian as that is the weapon I am most experienced in....and the Yang Shi form for the same reason. In the Jian form there are many similarities to the barehand form in movements....for example..seize the moon with three rings, first part is very close to brush and push from teh barehand form. In this both the sword and sword fingers carry the same movement as found in barehand. The principles and body requirments are identical there is no distortion of any of the joints, a bow step is still a bow step and so on. Moving to the second part of seize the moon, the sword crosses over the arm and strikes forward in a semi circle movement as the sword fingers also semi circle back towards the body.....again in barehand this movement is found in as high pat on horse prepares for the kicks etc. again the emphasis in each movement is the same, it hasn't become something different because a sword is involved......incidently in both of these moves we are using the handle or the sword, when we get on to using the sharp end we must be precise and know exactly which part of the blade we are using and for what purpose. Are we slicing, thrusting,pushing the blade etc.....and to what part of teh opponants body...We line up the body the same way, with most of the movemnts based on rotations, I know what my barehand applications are ....I don't see how sword can 'show me how to use my empty hand'.....my teacher is very precise in her instruction of barehand so although I appreciate the similarities between certain movements I don't use sword to train my barehand form, but instead I use my understanding of barehand to train my sword form.Consider, for a moment, the possibility of the weapon showing you HOW to use your empty hand...
why do we need to? barehand also creates its own force.the sword creates its own force...How do we extend THAT idea to the empty hand???
I have had only limited time with staff so I couldn't comment.Does the staff teach us anything about body position and throws? or, are we just pummeling the opponent?
agreed, which are the same as in barehand.Yi...body position...root........These are some of the lessons the weapons teach...
a rudimentary idea? Myabe this is where I am struggling with your concepts of 'and your empty hand techniques reflect the lesson of the sword...' This suggests only a basic understanding of how to move. I have not trained like this. I have spent the most time aiming to understanding the body requirments for my art....in barehand before getting to grips with the sword.Weapons training should only be started after the student has a rudimentary idea of HOW to move in space
and what does that show? I guess if you drop a sword and it lands on your foot it will hurt, is that what you mean by creating its own force.....I am not trying to be awkward here I am just trying to understand you.the weapon does create its own force...if you doubt that, stand in front of a novice and let him thrust at you with a straight sword...
why yes and why no?are these T'ai Ji??? Yes and No...