Regular head lock is good for throw. It's not good for chock. Reverse head lock and Backward head lock can be good for choke.
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Video of aikido techniques against full resistance
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I use this against opponents moving toward me because it works even better that way. The harder they attack, the easier they are to control. Fortunately for me, most people take backwards movement as a weakness for their opponent and will move in because they feel they have the advantage. This concept actually comes up more often than we might realize. Fortunately for me, most people take backwards movement as a weakness for their opponent and will move in because they feel they have the advantage.
The video below is of some really nice football stiff arms used in Football.
I like this one even better in terms of Aikido
This is the "Sumo like concept" That I used to train The color carpet square were used to make a boundary. Push, pull, kick, punch your opponent out of the ring was the goal. My opponent here is a brawler so his entire solution was "Throw force at it."
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"Initially go for head control or joint lock" This is probably the norm to be honest. Not just for Chin Na but for other techniques as well. The concept of set up or "tenderizing" is probably an advanced mind set.
Wing Woo Gar
Grandmaster
Thank you.Regular head lock is good for throw. It's not good for chock. Reverse head lock and Backward head lock can be good for choke.
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Reverse head lock:
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Wing Woo Gar
Grandmaster
I want to see the last video but I can’t make it work
Wing Woo Gar
Grandmaster
Chin na as I see it gives us additional off ramps from familiar roads.
Wing Woo Gar
Grandmaster
Additionally, if you have affinity ( not necessarily skill ) for these things like I do, you start creating set ups for common entries. They really work best on people that haven’t seen them. These techniques are very dependent on body type and size/length of limb and none can be accomplished without set up or contact from the opponent.
Wing Woo Gar
Grandmaster
I really want to see the video for that last image.
isshinryuronin
Senior Master
A lot of stuff looks easy in the movies (or bogus MA demos). Just grab the guy and he flips over. Actually, that IS the easy part. The hard part is getting yourself and the opponent into position to effectively apply the move. I think this takes at least as much, if not more skill, than the actual technique execution. When I was flipping houses, I learned the secret to a good paint job is the prep - proper tarps, taping, removing wall plates and door handles, etc. It's major work, but once all that is done, the slapping on paint part is easy.
When your opponent punches at you, if you can wrap his punching arm, you can use a hook punch to hit the back of his head, alone with a head lock and leg block throw.
@marvin8 - Trapping during sparing. I trapped his left hand multiple times. While it happens at longer striking ranges, people are most likely to see it in close range striking. For me personally, trapping is required in close range striking. Just a reminder. I do not spar to win. I spar to train my techniques. As a result in a lot of my sparring you will see breaks in action out of the blue. These breaks allow me to reset and adjust. For example, I pause and laugh and then I say "Thanks for the reminder" Something must have happened where I got laxed and saw that it was a bad thing for me. He may not have seen it but I did. So the reset here is my acknowledgement that I made a big mistake somewhere.
Examples of Trapping and controlling lead arm /guard. The reason I call it guard is because in fighting and in sparring the lead will shift in and out of the guard role. Similar to how my Trapping shifts in and out of trapping and striking.
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The strikes and take-downs are important but not as important as what happens before and after the strike. That is where I would recommend people to look when watching my videos.
@Wing Woo Gar this is the full video. This was done after class: Wednesday, ‎March ‎9, ‎2016, ‏‎9:27:39 PM. It was just one of those days where we were in the mood for some after class training. For me this would have been about a 4 hour training day for me. 2 hours class time. 2 hours after class. I have no idea of what we did prior to this as it wasn't a planned video tapping. One of the students decided to record the class after they saw the first take down, which was exactly like the second one, which was back to back. My posture is related to back issue, anterior pelvis tilt cause by my gut and my hands on my knees is a combination of me being out of steam and me trying to ease the stress on my back. It came up in past conversations, so I'll just put it out there.
Totally agree. And every person is different. A chicken won’t go for a carrot, and a bull won’t be tempted by chicken feed, what works to position one opponent might be ineffective on another. But once I get them into position I'm presented with other issues. Traditional Martial arts is sometimes like Wile E. Coyote trying to trap the road runner. Even when you get them into position, there are another set of things to take into consideration lol
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Wing Woo Gar
Grandmaster
Thanks man!
isshinryuronin
Senior Master
True. While tactics are based on likely responses, not all will take the bait, or if they do, it will be in a way that prevents you from getting hold of the part you want. This is true of feints, body position (footwork/tai sabaki), or even direct physical contact you initiate (strike/kick/block).
It's good to have a plan in mind, but the tendency to be too attached to it is something we can all be guilty of. We have to be able be flexible in our physical and mental mindset to take whatever we can get. And be patient for the right opportunity (which may or not come for a particular technique) to present itself. Sometimes it will just be there for you by chance to take advantage of. The worst thing is to try to force it!
Even what we think of as apex predators are only successful catching their prey once in 5 or 8 attempts.
You are not in a CMA sparring competition with “full resistance.” You are both sparring to train “close techniques.”
However, there are good coaches that teach how to lead the opponent, listen to their reactions (be in the moment) and use their energy against themselves. Waiting for the “right opportunity” can be misunderstood. Controlling the fight and creating opportunities (advantages) can provide enough time to react.
Yes. A good MAist does not rely on a resisting attacker to not move or over commit themselves to finish them. In your video, the aikidoka shows an understanding of the principles, process and skills in fighting (e.g., MMA, Tai chi). He starts controlling the opponent without contact from further distance than a judoka. The aikidoka…
1. leads the opponent with an extended, dynamic guard controlling the distance shuffles back and forth (push/pull) to draw the opponent in.
2. listens for the opponent to move in,
3. as the opponent moves in, controls (traps) the opponent’s hands (e.g., underhook) and gets head control.
4. dissolves the opponent’s forward energy by stepping back and pivoting at an angle.
5. attacks and completes the throw.
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. The things you train in sparring are the things you would use in competition or against full resistance which is why it's critical to spar and use the techniques in sparring. Just because it's done in sparring does not mean that it can't be done against full resistance.
My understanding of aiki (which I’m still learning is different from how folks closer to Daito-Ryu understand it) agrees with this. There are basics behind aiki mechanics that represent a different approach to the idea of rooting than KFW is likely referring to, but it’s conceptually similar. The rotation we use in response to direct force (when pushed, rotate) is drawing them in and redirecting that force, and requires what I think of as a soft-solid base (flexible rooting).
I did also train using more linear opposition to force. There are times you can overwhelm an entry by interrupting it on nearly an opposing line. But I don’t know if that happens anywhere in aiki arts - it’s something I developed over the years to blend some principles and add options.
