Video of aikido techniques against full resistance

[Gerry Seymour5]

Some (not you) may think one can just initially go for head control or joint lock, but we know it's seldom that easy. Chin Na master, Zhao Da Yuan wrote, "...in a fight it is impossible to grab an opponent and apply Chin Na directly..." Some initial "tenderizing" is normally required. Just thought this point worth stressing.

I’ve seen this so many time in aiki “sparring” - just two people who ought to know better reaching and grabbing for wrist and arm control.

 

[isshinryuronin]

I’ve seen this so many time in aiki “sparring” - just two people who ought to know better reaching and grabbing for wrist and arm control.

Even (especially) intermediate practitioners get too "technique oriented" (I think this is human nature and true in all arts) and focus too much on that, anxious to utilize their knowledge and skill in performing a technique. It seldom works out well. More advanced levels have learned patience and understand the necessity of the foundation of position, distance, preliminary set-ups, the nature of the opponent and flow of the encounter, etc. Then, opportunity doesn't need to be chased, merely facilitated so it can present itself. Didn't Sun Tzu say something about the enemy providing the means for his own defeat? All he needs is a little encouragement.

 

[Xue Sheng91]

Even (especially) intermediate practitioners get too "technique oriented" (I think this is human nature and true in all arts) and focus too much on that, anxious to utilize their knowledge and skill in performing a technique. It seldom works out well. More advanced levels have learned patience and understand the necessity of the foundation of position, distance, preliminary set-ups, the nature of the opponent and flow of the encounter, etc. Then, opportunity doesn't need to be chased, merely facilitated so it can present itself. Didn't Sun Tzu say something about the enemy providing the means for his own defeat? All he needs is a little encouragement.

The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

Sunzi bingfa 孫子兵法
Sun Tzu - the art if war

 

[O'Malley85]

Here's Ryuji Shirakawa commenting on an aikido throw used by a police officer on intervention:

He makes interesting comparisons with maki otoshi and sumi otoshi. I think the closest might be the hiji guruma found in certain Tomiki lineages (it's part of a really cool set of techniques called O Waza Juppon, "ten big techniques" that focus on large rotating movements):

One can also see similarities with hiki otoshi:

 

[drop bear98]

Here's Ryuji Shirakawa commenting on an aikido throw used by a police officer on intervention:

He makes interesting comparisons with maki otoshi and sumi otoshi. I think the closest might be the hiji guruma found in certain Tomiki lineages (it's part of a really cool set of techniques called O Waza Juppon, "ten big techniques" that focus on large rotating movements):

One can also see similarities with hiki otoshi:

The Russian wrist snap relies on a fake attack at their leg.

 

[Kung Fu Wang98]

Just wonder why the leg skill is not involved. If his "arms twisting" can combine with "leg spring", the result will be better.

 

[O'Malley85]

You can add it but typically aikido techniques keep both feet anchored to the ground.

 

[Kung Fu Wang98]

You can add it but typically aikido techniques keep both feet anchored to the ground.

Is there any special reason that Aikido technique requires both feet anchored to the ground?

 

[O'Malley85]

I don't know for sure but I have several hypotheses: A) it makes it easier to channel the legs' force through the hands if you have both feet anchored to the ground; B) you're more stable on two legs than one; C) you may not want to bring your belt within grasp of your opponent (e.g. in sumo, or if you carry a blade).

Anyways, you can add the leg sweep if you want to.

 

[drop bear98]

A wrist snap by one of the guys at our gym.

So I think to make an Aikido concept work you kind of need a multi layered approach. You need to give something or threaten something to get these throws to work.

And to do that you need to just straight up wrestle to understand the timing and the flow of movement. Before your can apply any sort of niche grappling.

And I don't think Aikido focuses enough on that. And that is why a thug MMA kid can make Aikido work. And an Aikido guy can't.

 

[Wing Woo Gar32]

A wrist snap by one of the guys at our gym.

So I think to make an Aikido concept work you kind of need a multi layered approach. You need to give something or threaten something to get these throws to work.

And to do that you need to just straight up wrestle to understand the timing and the flow of movement. Before your can apply any sort of niche grappling.

And I don't think Aikido focuses enough on that. And that is why a thug MMA kid can make Aikido work. And an Aikido guy can't.

Ok im not claiming to be right here, IMO, this is both a structure and counter related issue on the part of the victim. I never think about this kind of work in terms of attacks. If you got here, the opponent has intentions, I’m looking for flaws in the execution of those intentions. The way that wrist snap comes in is at the point he saw opportunity/complacency and exploited it. The “victim” ignored his commensurate opportunity to counter. There is a short gap where this can go really bad for the attacker. Like tennis.

 

[drop bear98]

How to make the wrist snap work.

 

[Wing Woo Gar32]

How to make the wrist snap work.

Very sneaky! High level for sure.

 

[Wing Woo Gar32]

How to make the wrist snap work.

The move he demonstrates at around 2:20 to 2:50 is called snake creeps down in Tai Chi Chuan. Can also be used like a fireman’s carry or alternate ankle pick.

How to make the wrist snap work.

 

[Wing Woo Gar32]

How to make the wrist snap work.

4:24 is seeking needle on the River bottom

 

[Wing Woo Gar32]

How to make the wrist snap work.

Again at 4:07 snake creeps down.

 

[Kung Fu Wang98]

How to make the wrist snap work.

This move is similar to "attack the leading leg, when your opponent steps back, you attack his other leg". By adding "leg skill", the same technique can work better.

 

[Same Trick44]

Is there any special reason that Aikido technique requires both feet anchored to the ground?

On contrary would I say, Aikido has quite lively footwork, in Aikido “randori”(free play, but attacking technique is often set/pre decided ) there are two or more attackers so one have to be swift

 

[Kung Fu Wang98]

On contrary would I say, Aikido has quite lively footwork, in Aikido “randori”(free play, but attacking technique is often set/pre decided ) there are two or more attackers so one have to be swift

Some "leg skills" don't require to lift a foot off the ground.

 

[Flying Crane]

Just wonder why the leg skill is not involved. If his "arms twisting" can combine with "leg spring", the result will be better.

“Leg skill” is involved, you simply lack any meaningful experience with aikido to recognize it for what it is and to understand the methodology.

You understand shuai chao, which is not aikido. It’s obvious from even a cursory review of videos that are readily available in places like YouTube, that shuai chao and aikido are two different animals, with different approaches. You want to “fix” aikido by making it more like shuai chao. Aikido does not need to be fixed, certainly not by you, and it does not need to be turned into shuai chao.

Your criticisms of aikido strike me as in the same flavor as your criticisms of Taiji. You don’t understand either of these methods so you criticize them on superficial issues and you want to turn them into shuai chao. It isn’t going to happen. Get over it.

If you had an honest interest in why things are done the way that they are in aikido, then you would find a good aikido school and you would give it at least a couple years of honest training, if not to become an accomplished aikidoka, then at least to have a legitimate understanding of the methodology. You might decide you hate it (which is ok), you might find you love it, at the least you might find your eyes opened to something you didn’t understand previously. But at least you would have a real understanding of what it is about instead of simply “it isn’t shuai chao and I think it should be more like shuai chao because I can’t conceive of something working if it isn’t like shuai chao”.

Do some real homework, if you want to be taken seriously in this kind of discussion.