Terrorism

[StrongFighter]

My dear lady, I strongly suspect that factual discourse is not this cad's intent here but to continue to foster a state of disruption.

No, It is to set the facts straight on Ireland. I know because I have friends who live in Ireland or are from Ireland living in America or Irish friends who hear news from their Irish relatives in Ireland.

I would like to visit Ireland one day and see what crimes the British are committing against the Irish people, just like the British committed crimes against Americans during the Revolutionary War and visit the Guinness Brewery. The Irish are great people and deserve our respect and support.

 

[The Last Legionary]

If America's Founding Fathers were so noble, so great, why did "As many as 100,000 people who supported British rule (almost 1 in 30 of the people in the original thirteen states) chose to leave the newly formed U.S. for England, Canada and the West Indies. "?

The Revolution was only supported by about a 3rd of the population, with another 3rd loyal, and the rest indifferent. Loyal American's like Arnold were treated like crap by their fellow rebels, but it's Arnold the arch traitor. Such is history, written by the victors.

But this is a distraction caused by this Troll, to obscure the real issue here, the cowardly attempt at mass murder of British soldiers, whose only crime here was ordering pizza. I suppose WeakFlailer will also applaud the attempts to kill the 2 pizza delivery men, and considers the execution of wounded to be a worthy act as well.

Such are the thinkings of the sick, the morally bankrupt, the degenerate swine, no more a true warrior than a goldfish is a shark.


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[Tez3]

Master, you are correct. Ladies and gentleman I'm sure you'll see where I'm coming from here and I beg your indulgence and forgiveness in advance.

Strong Fighter, go to hell.


My last word other than my thoughts and prayers are with the soldiers families. My thoughts to Field Discipline too, I know how much this hurts.:asian:

 

[StrongFighter]

The Americans are supporting Northern Ireland by being committed to the Peace process.
Strong fighter, do you realise that Northern Ireland has it's own government and N Ireland is devolved from Britain?
http://www.northernireland.gov.uk/

What did I just say ? Ireland wants to be Ireland with no oppression from British tyranny. You just proved my point for me.

 

[The Last Legionary]

You're comparisn is flawed. If Israel was invaded by Syria would be a better one. As to who was the bad guys, it depends on who you ask. According to a large number of Iraqi's, the US is the bad guy. Seems the country was a lot stabler and safer under the late Saddamn, than any recent regieme.

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Before God declared the land to be Israel's. Whose land was it originally ? Lebanon Syria and Jordan and Palestine's land. (Canaan)[/QUOTE]
You are wrong, so very wrong, and I have better things to do than to debate with dimwits. You strike me as someone who is afraid of women, who's masculinity is as fragile as your grasp on history, who has a romantic fantasy about war, about Ireland, who sees "brave freedom fighters challenging tyranny", yet is ignorant or purposefully oblivious to their drug running, gambling, prostitution, and other debase debaucheries.

Enjoy your fantasy world.



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[The Last Legionary]

What did I just say ? Ireland wants to be Ireland with no oppression from British tyranny. You just proved my point for me.

Do you even read these links? No, didn't think so. Kaith showed you to be a pretty oblivious type a few times already. You might want to shut up before you remove all doubt you're a troll.

Oh, too late.


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[Sukerkin]

You really are a silly man, SF; or a deliberately disruptive one. Each post you make is showing a very tenuous grasp of the actual history of the countries in question, including your own.

Your "starter for 10" (not that you'll have any clue what that means (it's from a British quiz programme called University Challenge)):

Primarily, which nation colonised the large area of land now referred to as North America?

EDIT: I'd ideally like to just delete this, as a post born of revulsion that added nothing positive to the thread. That would leave the matter to fade in the way that such things should. I'll leave it here tho' as the actual point I was trying to make is that the chains of historical causality bind us all a lot closer together than many recall.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

No, It is to set the facts straight on Ireland. I know because I have friends who live in Ireland or are from Ireland living in America or Irish friends who hear news from their Irish relatives in Ireland.

I would like to visit Ireland one day and see what crimes the British are committing against the Irish people, just like the British committed crimes against Americans during the Revolutionary War and visit the Guinness Brewery. The Irish are great people and deserve our respect and support.

So, no first hand knowledge. Just heresay.

 

[Hagakure]

The word, Amerika is actually a communist and socialist term.

Have you been listening to communist propaganda about Americans ? If you are an American then you have been listening to the liberal media's lies for too long.

George Washington had more balls and HE WAS A MAN more than you ever will be and if you had one drop of red blooded American male in you then you would know this statement of George Washington, Our First President hiding behind trees is FALSE.

George Washington's troops waged a very unconventional war against the British who were still rooted in fairness while being butchers at the same time. Washington's troops shot the enemy whenever they were using proper cover and concealment.

Americans should be supporting Ireland and not Britian in the 20th and 21st Century.

Hmmm.... Perhaps with nearly 2 million Muslims in the UK, we should be supporting them? By your logic I guess we should?

My folks are Irish, and deplore this. Their opinion is that "the North" is too expensive a piece of land to want back. Their view of "the RA" is that they're not "freedom fighters" but criminals who use extortion rackets, drugs and prostitution to fund illegal arms supplies. What was once about fighting a sovereign state that had invaded, (that's not in dispute by the way, but I'm sure not responsible for the sins of my fathers!) is now undeniably about control and possession of territorial areas. All of them, all groups on both loyalist and republican sides are little more than criminal underworld gangs. I've spent a good while in Northern Ireland, on pleasure, not business and have spoken to many, many people. You come across as an ignorant wannabe who's watched Michael Collins, far, far too many times. Your views make me sick.

Sorry, I've read more, you're... American, with the whole "My great, great, great, great Grandmothers Alsation was Irish, so I'm Irish by default"? You have no idea how many people from "the old countries" that makes cringe. Stay in the US, we don't want your kind coming over.

 

[elder999]

What Happened To Our Founding Fathters ?


Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Two lost their sons in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history books never told you a lot of what happened in the Revolutionary War. We didn't just fight the British. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government! Perhaps you can now see why our founding fathers had a hatred for standing armies, and allow[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]ed through the Second Amendment for everyone to be armed.[/FONT]

Some of us take these liberties so much for granted.....we shouldn't.

So, take a couple of minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots...

http://www.keelynet.com/4th99.htm

A great deal of this is not true. Even more of it is stretching the truth, or in error. Some of it is true. I won't bother going throgh point by point, it's already been done:

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/pricepaid.asp

I'm trying to show some restraint.......

 

[Makalakumu]

Personally, I just don't understand. Why are Republican Irish still fighting? Is the ideology that they cling to so strong that they'll murder in cold blood? Or has this conflict evolved into something different? Someone mentioned that the RI is basically criminal gang now. When did that happen? How? Is there any sympathy in NI for acts like this? Or are the majority of people against it? I'm looking for the rest of the story and not quite sure where to go?

 

[Hagakure]

Personally, I just don't understand. Why are Republican Irish still fighting? Is the ideology that they cling to so strong that they'll murder in cold blood? Or has this conflict evolved into something different? Someone mentioned that the RI is basically criminal gang now. When did that happen? How? Is there any sympathy in NI for acts like this? Or are the majority of people against it? I'm looking for the rest of the story and not quite sure where to go?

Technically it's not JUST the Republicans fighting. The Loyalists, or the Protestant community wish to remain part of the union with Britain. So it's not just as simple as pulling all "Britishness" out of NI, that's grossly simplistic and perpetuated with those who have little real knowledge of the Troubles. However, the attacks against British forces will have been by the Republicans. And likely because Gordon "I'm Scottish" Brown and his govt had threatened to send the SAS back into NI after a hiatus of some years. This seems like a warning, but if it is, it's an immensely stupid one. What's MORE likely to get the SAS back there is an event like this.

It's been a criminal thing for many years, sure there may be some guys who think they're fighting the Crown etc, but the majority of guys are in it for the infamy and "respect" they get, money, power, fear etc etc. It's prevalent in parts of Belfast and other larger communities. Many of the smaller and more rural areas couldn't care less either way. Ultimately, they pay their taxes to someone, and just want to live their lives in peace, I've spoken to hundreds directly, my parents, family, not random tourists like some may have, and NO ONE supports this besides a hardcore few. On either side. Those that actively support the taking of life for this are in my view, scum, sub-human, and as bad as those Muslims who rejoiced when 911 happened.

 

[StrongFighter]

If the British empire never attacked and invaded Ireland and violated Irish sovereignty then none of this would have happened.

You have to remember that war is being fought by British proxy and the Irish people are being used against their own people by the English for the British empire's purposes.

I would love to see Ireland come back together in the north and south and the U.K.'s entire armed forces to leave the whole land of Ireland then finally there can be peace while the Irish people rebuild a national life of peace for themselves.

I also want to point out that I do not glorify the killings on BOTH sides and I really sincerely wish there was peace.

For any of that to happen, The British needs to leave first.

 

[FieldDiscipline]

No, It is to set the facts straight on Ireland. I know because I have friends who live in Ireland or are from Ireland living in America or Irish friends who hear news from their Irish relatives in Ireland.

I have Irish friends, soldiers as it happens, who say they don't know all the facts. Congratulations on becoming such an expert. You know of course that troops were initially sent to NI to protect the catholics?

maunakumu, Hagakure's got it about right. For these people its unlikely to be about republicanism.

I will leave this now, to people in a better position to deal with trolls. Hope you can sleep.

 

[Makalakumu]

Thanks for the explanation, Hagakure. I must admit my ignorance of the matter. All I know of the conflict is that it was once religious based and that the IRA has resorted to terrorism in the past. I don't know any of the details of the conflict or incidents that have happened.

One thing that I have not understood is why the British are so intent on keeping Northern Ireland. I don't understand the politics involved, so if anyone could explain that, I'd appreciate it.

Also, how common is IRA terrorism? On the other side of the world, we don't seem to hear about it very often.

 

[StrongFighter]

A great deal of this is not true. Even more of it is stretching the truth, or in error. Some of it is true. I won't bother going throgh point by point, it's already been done:

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/pricepaid.asp

I'm trying to show some restraint.......

Keep in mind that snopes.com is a smokescreen for liberal lies made to look like facts. I would not trust snopes.com and it reeks of Anti-Americanism.

It is better to ask the descendants who are related to the Founding Fathers what really happened to their families.

I think the true story would be quite different than what is said of snopes.com

 

[StrongFighter]

Hmmm.... Perhaps with nearly 2 million Muslims in the UK, we should be supporting them? By your logic I guess we should?

My folks are Irish, and deplore this. Their opinion is that "the North" is too expensive a piece of land to want back. Their view of "the RA" is that they're not "freedom fighters" but criminals who use extortion rackets, drugs and prostitution to fund illegal arms supplies. What was once about fighting a sovereign state that had invaded, (that's not in dispute by the way, but I'm sure not responsible for the sins of my fathers!) is now undeniably about control and possession of territorial areas. All of them, all groups on both loyalist and republican sides are little more than criminal underworld gangs. I've spent a good while in Northern Ireland, on pleasure, not business and have spoken to many, many people. You come across as an ignorant wannabe who's watched Michael Collins, far, far too many times. Your views make me sick.

Sorry, I've read more, you're... American, with the whole "My great, great, great, great Grandmothers Alsation was Irish, so I'm Irish by default"? You have no idea how many people from "the old countries" that makes cringe. Stay in the US, we don't want your kind coming over.

I am not Irish and how do you explain that Irish friends & relatives and those who are living in Ireland tell a different story ?

Many Irish people are fed disinformation because of the British empire trying to control the Irish people for the British empire's interests.

The British never had Ireland's best interests in mind. It is all for British's interests and that is very telling.

 

[searcher]

Can't we all just get along?



Or settle this like men.........................with a thumb wrestling match?

 

[Hagakure]

I am not Irish and how do you explain that Irish friends & relatives and those who are living in Ireland tell a different story ?

Many Irish people are fed disinformation because of the British empire trying to control the Irish people for the British empire's interests.

The British never had Ireland's best interests in mind. It is all for British's interests and that is very telling.

Because they're the hardcore handful. It's nothing to do with being fed misinformation. It's to do with wanting no more bloodshed, because whatever the "historical" reasons for it, butchering each other solves nothing. The people in the South, and the North are well aware of their history and relations with Britain, and don't need some American-Irish wannabe who's spoken to a few malcontents and passes it off as gospel.

Britain never had any countries interest at heart, Ireland or otherwise it was an Empire, one that was entirely ambivalent at worst towards its colonies. Now, while to some extent I agree, I'd like to see a unified Republic of Ireland with the 6 counties of the North returned, however, celebrating this latest shooting shows crassness and lack of humanity on a grand scale. The political process in NI while tenuous at best, given time will work. In many ways, this shooting has just set this process back, because now, the SAS are ever so likely to return, which spells very bad news indeed for the groups over there.

My parentage is Irish, my name, is Irish, my bloodline, is, Irish, I'm well aware of my history, prior to the Plantation workers arrival and from the Boyne onwards in 1690, and I tell you, the one thing that isn't needed to calm the situation down and to resolve the issue peacefully and politically, is sabre rattling and guns.

 

[elder999]

Keep in mind that snopes.com is a smokescreen for liberal lies made to look like facts. I would not trust snopes.com and it reeks of Anti-Americanism.

It is better to ask the descendants who are related to the Founding Fathers what really happened to their families.

I think the true story would be quite different than what is said of snopes.com

Must....hold back......snark of death.... :lfao: