I think we're entering a slippery slope when we start claiming that a Bjj guy is doing the equivalent of a Kung Fu form when they're practicing a kimura, or that doing jumping jacks is the equivalent of a Kung fu form or kata.
Katas/Forms are very specific things tied to martial arts. They're so specific that a mental image pops in your head as soon as you mention them.
Actually, what comes into my head is a montage of stuff, including stylized kata, three-step combos, some of the BJJ drills I've done, our Classical Techniques, and even some shadow boxing (which, to me, is either free-form kata, or solo sparring, or both).
Agreed. I don't think anyone would argue forms are better than calisthenics or some of those BJJ exercises. That's just one side benefit from some forms.Sure, but forms aren't the only way to develop core strength and balance. It can even be argued that they aren't even close to being the best way.
Crap. I hate it when that happens.I agree.
And I'm not far from that camp. I think there's high value in some forms, especially for solo practice away from class/gym; however, I think they should be a small portion of training time. To me, they are best used to illustrate principles in a way that can become a common language between instructors - clearly more important in a system (TMA, ryuha, even stuff like Krav) than in a gym where people are learning a mixture of styles. In a system, we want to preserve some commonality because that's what makes it a "system". In the MMA gym, commonality isn't important - there will be some, because what's effective will proliferate, but nobody cares really if fighters from different gyms fight differently.I'm of the camp that says that the only thing you should be drilling are the actual techniques. The superfluous stuff is just fluff that dilutes your training time.
I don't have a problem with those who train forms more than me. don't have a problem with those who choose not to use forms, either. If their training works for them, that's cool with me. Some on each side will not have the skill I do. Some on each side will have more. What works for them doesn't have to work for me, and vice-versa.