Bullsherdog
Orange Belt
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I was watching dramatization of Brazillian Soccer legend Pele's life and when he was growing up and playing in the amateur leagues, sometime during his ten years he gt exposed tot he Brazillian martial art Capoeira. He was told by one of his friends the team that some professional soccer players practise Capoeira to improve their game and many Capoeira professionals esp instructors also grew up playing soccer. So Pele decided to try out the style.
Pele has already been playing soccer at a competitive level since he was a kid and even young was already described as a prodigy by elementary school coaches and fellow players. When he took classes in the style, he quickly learned plenty of techniques and was rising in the style. His instructors said not only is he a prodigy who has the potential to become one of the greatest maestro of his time, they also said his prior skill in soccer is really helping him out in learning techniques quickly and rising in the beginner ranks. The Capoeira comunity he was part off seriously wished he would go full time with Capoeira but Pele openly told them after months of training he's not gonna go for a career because the whole reason he took Capoeira was to improve his football so he can imitate some of the pro players' moves.
He never practised traditional Capoiera again but a lot of his soccer drills involve kicking balls with Capoiera style and doing some exercises he learned from his time learning the basics and as history shows it, he would go on to join Brazil's national team and his participation was necessary for turning Brazil into the the status quo superpower of the soccer world along with Germany as Brazil's team won smashing victories a couple of times during his career. Brazil's reputation in football became so legendary as a result of Pele's contribution that Brazil is seen by many as the "capital of the soccer world".
So it makes me wonder. Is Soccer the best non-fighting related method for learning kicking moves? I mean as an English living in London, I can attest from seeing local riots that hooligans without any training in martial arts are capable of doing low roundhouses, kneeing,stomping and other strictly martial arts kicks to enough effectiveness, in some cases even superior execution than veteran black belt level martial artists, to be able to break someones ankles or destabilize someone's leg and cause him to fall to the ground. And thats not counting how devastatingly powerful and quick the "upward vertical kicks" that resemble your stereotypical soccer kick that these hooligans do with so much ease and perfect execution that its basically as second nature as walking for them! And all from simply playing soccer daily!
I actually witnessed a police man try to hit a rowdy drunk customer at a football bar with his bat but the drunk simply did a typical movement for passing the ball at the police and tripped him, making him fall on a table. Literally it almost ooked like a Judo move and it was done s quick before the police man's bat could hit the drunk football fan!
So it makes me assume soccer can turn someone into an effective kicker without needing to take any martial arts. How is this notion? After all country's known for styles relying primarily on kicking like Korea with TKD, France with Savate, and Thailand with Muay Thai as a few examples are the same places where soccer is hands down the most popular sport.
I mean one guy posted a on a tumblr about an article where Barton-Wright who is the creator of Bartitsu (a British hybrid style combining boxing-wrestling with various Asian and European fighting systems and is the style Sherlock Holmes uses in the original Doyle novels) warns about how young boys who only knows boxing are at a huge disadvantage in the streets esp since football hooligans often throw kicks they use from football games and there are cases reported incidents of young gentlemen getting the smollock beaten out of the because they tried to box these hooligans and the hooligans knocked them down with kicks and in some cases even broke their legs. So Barton-Wright warns people learning in self defense that while they don't need to learn how to attack with kicks in the same manner as the French do with Savate and how Asians frequently throw complex leg strikes in their styles, they must learn defensive measures from kicking like dodging, blocking, etc. Barton-Wright actually even encourages the best policy is to learn how to intercept an enemy's kicking techniques by directly counterattacking with specific savate, karate, and kung fu style kicks, preferably strike at the same time as an opponent sends leg strikes with the appropriate counters move. He really warns to be careful fighting against Holigans esp if all you know is Boxing because of how dangerous their football strikes are.
So is there any truth to this assumption of football kicks and knees? Chiming off topic a bit and going the other direction would practising martial arts esp kicking styles like K1 Kickboxing help out with soccer too?
Pele has already been playing soccer at a competitive level since he was a kid and even young was already described as a prodigy by elementary school coaches and fellow players. When he took classes in the style, he quickly learned plenty of techniques and was rising in the style. His instructors said not only is he a prodigy who has the potential to become one of the greatest maestro of his time, they also said his prior skill in soccer is really helping him out in learning techniques quickly and rising in the beginner ranks. The Capoeira comunity he was part off seriously wished he would go full time with Capoeira but Pele openly told them after months of training he's not gonna go for a career because the whole reason he took Capoeira was to improve his football so he can imitate some of the pro players' moves.
He never practised traditional Capoiera again but a lot of his soccer drills involve kicking balls with Capoiera style and doing some exercises he learned from his time learning the basics and as history shows it, he would go on to join Brazil's national team and his participation was necessary for turning Brazil into the the status quo superpower of the soccer world along with Germany as Brazil's team won smashing victories a couple of times during his career. Brazil's reputation in football became so legendary as a result of Pele's contribution that Brazil is seen by many as the "capital of the soccer world".
So it makes me wonder. Is Soccer the best non-fighting related method for learning kicking moves? I mean as an English living in London, I can attest from seeing local riots that hooligans without any training in martial arts are capable of doing low roundhouses, kneeing,stomping and other strictly martial arts kicks to enough effectiveness, in some cases even superior execution than veteran black belt level martial artists, to be able to break someones ankles or destabilize someone's leg and cause him to fall to the ground. And thats not counting how devastatingly powerful and quick the "upward vertical kicks" that resemble your stereotypical soccer kick that these hooligans do with so much ease and perfect execution that its basically as second nature as walking for them! And all from simply playing soccer daily!
I actually witnessed a police man try to hit a rowdy drunk customer at a football bar with his bat but the drunk simply did a typical movement for passing the ball at the police and tripped him, making him fall on a table. Literally it almost ooked like a Judo move and it was done s quick before the police man's bat could hit the drunk football fan!
So it makes me assume soccer can turn someone into an effective kicker without needing to take any martial arts. How is this notion? After all country's known for styles relying primarily on kicking like Korea with TKD, France with Savate, and Thailand with Muay Thai as a few examples are the same places where soccer is hands down the most popular sport.
I mean one guy posted a on a tumblr about an article where Barton-Wright who is the creator of Bartitsu (a British hybrid style combining boxing-wrestling with various Asian and European fighting systems and is the style Sherlock Holmes uses in the original Doyle novels) warns about how young boys who only knows boxing are at a huge disadvantage in the streets esp since football hooligans often throw kicks they use from football games and there are cases reported incidents of young gentlemen getting the smollock beaten out of the because they tried to box these hooligans and the hooligans knocked them down with kicks and in some cases even broke their legs. So Barton-Wright warns people learning in self defense that while they don't need to learn how to attack with kicks in the same manner as the French do with Savate and how Asians frequently throw complex leg strikes in their styles, they must learn defensive measures from kicking like dodging, blocking, etc. Barton-Wright actually even encourages the best policy is to learn how to intercept an enemy's kicking techniques by directly counterattacking with specific savate, karate, and kung fu style kicks, preferably strike at the same time as an opponent sends leg strikes with the appropriate counters move. He really warns to be careful fighting against Holigans esp if all you know is Boxing because of how dangerous their football strikes are.
So is there any truth to this assumption of football kicks and knees? Chiming off topic a bit and going the other direction would practising martial arts esp kicking styles like K1 Kickboxing help out with soccer too?