Rear leg vs lead leg (skipping) side kick - which is harder and which is supposed to be harder ?

[InfiniteLoop]

The one with the skip in it should be harder.

That is my experience. Skip weighs more (literally) than pivot.

Let's see how many agree.

 

[Dirty Dog]

The bag doesn't lie.

It doesn't have to.

 

[InfiniteLoop]

It doesn't have to.

It can't lie. I know if I hit the spot and when I missed it based on the bags objective reaction. I have no trouble generating power with any one of those three shots. I condensed my kicks to avoid wrecking the apartment and they still had "kime" (Korean?).

 

[Tman]

The bag doesn't lie.

The video doesn't lie. Watch the video labeled "Lead and skipping" and step thru it frame by frame. All your "skip" does is replace you front foot with your rear foot, there is nearly zero forward movement for your body. By the time you start your kick the forward movement has stopped. I suggest some private lessons with your instructor.

 

[Dirty Dog]

It can't lie. I know if I hit the spot and when I missed it based on the bags objective reaction. I have no trouble generating power with any one of those three shots. I condensed my kicks to avoid wrecking the apartment and they still had "kime" (Korean?).

That's kind of the point. You're convinced that any difference is in the kick, when it's really more about how you do the kick.

 

[InfiniteLoop]

The video doesn't lie. Watch the video labeled "Lead and skipping" and step thru it frame by frame. All your "skip" does is replace you front foot with your rear foot, there is nearly zero forward movement for your body. By the time you start your kick the forward movement has stopped. I suggest some private lessons with your instructor.

Regardless of whether there is much forward movement, there is a jump up and then thrust.. And this clearly creates force due to the momentum it creates.

 

[InfiniteLoop]

That's kind of the point. You're convinced that any difference is in the kick, when it's really more about how you do the kick.

I am convinced that a swing is more impactful than an pivot and a thrust, at least for human beings. Is that a controversial view point?

 

[Dirty Dog]

Regardless of whether there is much forward movement, there is a jump up and then thrust.. And this clearly creates force due to the momentum it creates.

So in your mind, vertical movement creates forward momentum? You better talk to your physicist friend. You know, the one who doesn't know what the formula for kinetic energy is.

 

[Dirty Dog]

I am convinced that a swing is more impactful than an pivot and a thrust, at least for human beings. Is that a controversial view point?

I think it's more ignorant than controversial.

 

[InfiniteLoop]

So in your mind, vertical movement creates forward momentum? You better talk to your physicist friend. You know, the one who doesn't know what the formula for kinetic energy is.

Lol no. I said that even If I don't have forward momentum, I still have momentum from the jump. When I do the rear leg pivot version I also have momentum but not from a jump.

 

[InfiniteLoop]

I think it's more ignorant than controversial.

Let's try it. If you wanted to recruit maximum power generation with a baseball bat, would you rather swing up and then poke forward, or would you swing circularly? I use the baseball bat as an analogy to your leg in an effort to enlighten you.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Let's try it. If you wanted to recruit maximum power generation with a baseball bat, would you rather swing up and then poke forward, or would you swing circularly? I use the baseball bat as an analogy to your leg in an effort to enlighten you.

I'd do different things in different situations. The notion that any one technique is best for all situations is more than naive.

 

[InfiniteLoop]

I'd do different things in different situations. The notion that any one technique is best for all situations is more than naive.

The situation is generating as much power as possible, with a swung baseball bat. I did not say anything about pragmatism.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

If it that were true, rear leg side kicks would be equally hard as rear leg roundhouse kicks. The reason they aren't is because the leg switches direction in the side kick

There's more than one thing that can impact power. As he said "all things being equal", if you were to take just that one factor, the one that travels longer has more potential for power. So a close side kick has less potential for power than a farther side kick (to a point), and same with roundhouse kicks. Doesn't mean that a far side kick can be more powerful than a roundhouse kick or vise versa, that's an entirely different question than the one he was answering entirely.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

General question-what's the purpose of asking a question you are already convinced you know the answer of, and are not interested in hearing other ideas? Why not just state your opinion to begin with?

 

[Earl Weiss]

Here is skip lead leg. I think you can get more of your weight to travel toward the target a greater distance more easily and coordinate that movement with the kick to ad power as opposed to using the rear leg. I think the difference may be in the skip with both feet on the ground as opposed to simply pushing off with one foot as the rear leg moves forward. I have no scientific justification - only experience.

 

[InfiniteLoop]

There's more than one thing that can impact power. As he said "all things being equal", if you were to take just that one factor, the one that travels longer has more potential for power. So a close side kick has less potential for power than a farther side kick (to a point), and same with roundhouse kicks. Doesn't mean that a far side kick can be more powerful than a roundhouse kick or vise versa, that's an entirely different question than the one he was answering entirely.

I don't believe that he is correct even in an all else equal situation.

 

[InfiniteLoop]

Here is skip lead leg. I think you can get more of your weight to travel toward the target a greater distance more easily and coordinate that movement with the kick to ad power as opposed to using the rear leg. I think the difference may be in the skip with both feet on the ground as opposed to simply pushing off with one foot as the rear leg moves forward. I have no scientific justification - only experience.

Good kick

 

[Tman]

Let's try it. If you wanted to recruit maximum power generation with a baseball bat, would you rather swing up and then poke forward, or would you swing circularly? I use the baseball bat as an analogy to your leg in an effort to enlighten you.

Since we are talking about a side kick, I think a better analogy would be a pool cue.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

I don't believe that he is correct even in an all else equal situation.

But your argument didn't address that. It addressed something unrelated to his statement.