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Lots of folks dying for that right to bear arms.
Compared to what? Lighting strikes? Sure. Heart disease? Cancer? Not even close. Heck, at over 76,000 / year, deaths from obesity dwarf murders with a firearm. It doesn't even crack the top 10 list:

The top 10 causes of death in the U.S. per year according to the CDC are:
  • Heart disease: 633,842
  • Cancer: 595,930
  • Chronic lower respiratory disease: 155,041
  • Accidents: 146,571
  • Stroke: 140,323
  • Alzheimer’s disease: 110,561
  • Diabetes: 79,535
  • Influenza and Pneumonia: 57,062
  • Kidney disease: 49,959
  • Suicide: 44.193
 

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Compared to what? Lighting strikes? Sure. Heart disease? Cancer? Not even close. Heck, at over 76,000 / year, deaths from obesity dwarf murders with a firearm. It doesn't even crack the top 10 list:

The top 10 causes of death in the U.S. per year according to the CDC are:
  • Heart disease: 633,842
  • Cancer: 595,930
  • Chronic lower respiratory disease: 155,041
  • Accidents: 146,571
  • Stroke: 140,323
  • Alzheimer’s disease: 110,561
  • Diabetes: 79,535
  • Influenza and Pneumonia: 57,062
  • Kidney disease: 49,959
  • Suicide: 44.193
What is this comparison supposed to prove? It does not address the point.

From what I understand, Steve said that a lot of people are dying because the US population has access to guns. So the comparison should be how many deaths by firearms in the current context vs how many deaths by firearms in a US with less access to guns. As we don't have any exact replica of the US for comparison, we can approximate by comparing it to similarly developed countries, for example: Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

In that sense, it's a lot.

It's also not surprising that, if the average civilian has access to the ability to reliably kill with minimal effort, instances of interpersonal conflict are much more likely to end in casualties. I also wonder about that suicide figure: Guns and suicide: A fatal link
 
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Compared to what? Lighting strikes? Sure. Heart disease? Cancer? Not even close. Heck, at over 76,000 / year, deaths from obesity dwarf murders with a firearm. It doesn't even crack the top 10 list:

The top 10 causes of death in the U.S. per year according to the CDC are:
  • Heart disease: 633,842
  • Cancer: 595,930
  • Chronic lower respiratory disease: 155,041
  • Accidents: 146,571
  • Stroke: 140,323
  • Alzheimer’s disease: 110,561
  • Diabetes: 79,535
  • Influenza and Pneumonia: 57,062
  • Kidney disease: 49,959
  • Suicide: 44.193
Guns kill more kids (18 and under) than cancer. Only thing that kills more kids each year is motor vehicle accidents.

Also, this isn't a zero sum issue. How many kids are you good with losing? Kids going to schools literally not knowing if someone will bring their dad's AR-15, or even worse, a senior turns 18 and buys his own.
 
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