Naihanchi shodan, nidan, and sandan are so similar. What's the point? For example, why not add a few of the distinct moves from nidan and sandan to shodan and make it one slightly longer form?
Naihanchi.
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Shinzu
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in shotokan the form is refered to as tekki. nihanchi is from tang soo do.
i guess this point could be said about also alot of forms. these forms are basically defending from frontal attacks. it is said that you should imagine yourself on a boat and it is rocking back and forth. to keep your balance you move in the oppisite direction that the boat is tipping.
i personally like the nihanchi forms. they are very powerful and devote also of thier success to the kiba dachi or "horse stance".
i have seen different variations from shotokan to tang soo do, and also issin ryu which added a kick among other techniques.
i guess this point could be said about also alot of forms. these forms are basically defending from frontal attacks. it is said that you should imagine yourself on a boat and it is rocking back and forth. to keep your balance you move in the oppisite direction that the boat is tipping.
i personally like the nihanchi forms. they are very powerful and devote also of thier success to the kiba dachi or "horse stance".
i have seen different variations from shotokan to tang soo do, and also issin ryu which added a kick among other techniques.
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Originally posted by Cthulhu
Just nitpicking, but Naihanchi is actually the Okinawan name.
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thanx for the info
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Shinzu
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i never realized i was one form. it does make sence though. i dont feel it would be too complicated. i have seen others that are far more complex i feel.
I have learned a version of Naihanchi, that is very similar to Shotokans Tekki, is this the entire kata. I have heard of Naihanchi shodan, nidan and sandan, but I haven't seen them. Is the total of them any different to Tekki?
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i'm not famliar with any system that combines all three katas to make one.
as far as i know, they have always been seperate.
the naihanchi kata and the tekki kata do have some differences depending on which style you are taking. TSD and shotokan are almost exact, while isshin-ryu's are different.
as far as i know, they have always been seperate.
the naihanchi kata and the tekki kata do have some differences depending on which style you are taking. TSD and shotokan are almost exact, while isshin-ryu's are different.
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GojuBujin
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Didn't they do something similar with Kusanku (Kanku Dai) made more katas from it, or maybe the other way around, "they" = Shotokan
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the name still means the same. iron horse or night on horseback.
there are some variations between the TSD, shotokan, and the isshin-ryu naihanchi kata though.
there are some variations between the TSD, shotokan, and the isshin-ryu naihanchi kata though.
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The naihanchi kata was well known in the shuri and tomari schools. This was before the pinan katas were formed. This may explain why there are 3 katas. The kata was mainly a beginner's kata. It was not used to develop offensive and defensive fighting skills. The main purpose of the kata is to train the waist and legs through slow steady sideward movements for maximum strength. We called the kata kibadachi, or ("horse riding straddle") in matsumura seito shorin-ryu karate-do! After the pinan katas were introduced into the system, naihanchi became more of an intermediate form. Sincerely, In Humility; Chiduce!
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naihanchi kata was actually called "ni bo jin" in the beginning.
That's interesting. We actually use it as a Pressure Point Kata. Every technique in the kata has been used in a self defense technique. It's funny how most times you don't even realise what is right in front of you until someone points it out.
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Shinzu
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i never thought about that. thanx dave
No worries! Funny isn't it, I mention pressure points in relation to Naihanchi, and tonight I attended a seminar with Kyoshi Patrick McCarthy, in which he spoke of some of the pressure point applications from Naihanchi and even showed us some that we hadn't seen before. I've said before in other forums that I don't like his books, but I would recommend his seminars to anybody.
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The 3 naihanchi katas are extremely different when you look at them from a technique point of view.
To say "why don't we just put them all together and make one kata" is not practical.
If that is the case then why don't we lump all the kata together and a make one long kata??
Because each kata has distinct trademarks not always recognizable to the untrained eye.
To say "why don't we just put them all together and make one kata" is not practical.
If that is the case then why don't we lump all the kata together and a make one long kata??
Because each kata has distinct trademarks not always recognizable to the untrained eye.
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Really? I am kind of the other way around.
Is that because you find him arrogant? I have heard some people describe him this way, but I find him to be a real fun guy to be around. It may be because he frequents our school quite a bit. Come on share your thoughts.
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RyuShiKan
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I think McCarthy's wife did a god job translating some interesting books on Karate and some of it's more noted historical figures.
Some of those books would not have been available to most western readers had it not been for her translating and his editing.
None of them are of any great training value but from a historical point of view they are interesting.
I have seen his seminars first hand.......sorry, not interested.
Some of those books would not have been available to most western readers had it not been for her translating and his editing.
None of them are of any great training value but from a historical point of view they are interesting.
I have seen his seminars first hand.......sorry, not interested.
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