Kukkiwon demo team: the local timber industry is feeling better already

Earl Weiss

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I taught and trained with a couple former members of the Kukkiwon demo team for nearly a decade in Korea. Lack of kicking power is not a problem for them.


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How do / did you define or determine "Kicking Power".
 

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Im basing it on observation and being hit by them.


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Observation of???

For instance breaking X # standard lumber yard "1 x 12" 10-12" wide boards with technique Y would be an objective type of observation.
Im basing it on observation and being hit by them.


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.. kicks can be observed to be powerful. You don't need to have a concrete objective measurement or mathematical number or formula for that ;)
 

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Observation of???

For instance breaking X # standard lumber yard "1 x 12" 10-12" wide boards with technique Y would be an objective type of observation.

A bit grumpy about this aren't you Mr. Weiss? After all, it is just what it is, a demo of great gymnastic ability with kicks thrown in to make it look more martial. I thought it impressive as that. Kicking and breaking a 1" or 2" wooden board would be possible at those heights but would be more difficult due to the resistance of the wood, and more prone to unbalancing the kickers. I understand it isn't breaking multiple oak boards with one kick, but .....

Would you have preferred if they had someone as an opponent riding a horse, holding a spear or wielding a sword while standing on the saddle? :D :p

And at my age I sure wouldn't want to drop from those heights.

Not meaning to be confrontational sir. I just thought it was a fun demo, and had no doubt about Kukkiwon Demo Team members being able to deliver powerful kicks if that was what they wanted to demo. You feel different, and I respect your opinions as I always have.
 

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Observation of???

For instance breaking X # standard lumber yard "1 x 12" 10-12" wide boards with technique Y would be an objective type of observation.

In my experience, that type of breaking is very uncommon in Korea. I observed them kicking targets and people and watched their technique. The former team members Ive taught and trained with were at such a high level that its difficult to compare them to normal human beings. Having trained in the US before living in Korea, Ive had plenty of experience doing the type of breaking you refer to. In my opinion, they are more than capable of performing breaks that are more standard in the US. They generally are more interested in pushing the limits of athleticism, however.


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Observation of???

For instance breaking X # standard lumber yard "1 x 12" 10-12" wide boards with technique Y would be an objective type of observation.

I can observe by holding a kicking shield for teammates who has really powerful kicks and who doesn't. I can't numerically quantify it, but I can certainly observe it.
 

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When it comes to "Specialty" type breaks observing the athleticism involved is certainly a worthwhile endeavor. For example jumping X Height, or over Y distance or multiple targets to show accuracy. Observations as to power are subjective but can be more objective with stipulated techniques and materials and it is definitely quantifiable as such. That is why some competitions offer separate specialty and power competitions. Totally TKD had an article where power was quantified vis a vis the number of boards and the formula for determining increase needed for each additional board. A fist was cast from lead and force gauges used for comparison. So, as with many demos the athleticism is something to behold. This does not address the desire to experience firsthand the force needed for the break.
 

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Frankly, if a person can manage to do, like, a 540 kick over someone's head or whatever, these kind of crazy stunts, I wouldn't be too concerned about their ability to generate enough power to break a 1" pine board with a side kick or palm strike or whatever. A person with the strength, persistence and stamina to do the former could easily learn to the latter in probably about 5 minutes.
 

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Frankly, if a person can manage to do, like, a 540 kick over someone's head or whatever, these kind of crazy stunts, I wouldn't be too concerned about their ability to generate enough power to break a 1" pine board with a side kick or palm strike or whatever. A person with the strength, persistence and stamina to do the former could easily learn to the latter in probably about 5 minutes.

Breaking a single 1" pine board with side kick or palm strike is a green belt technique. Been many a tlak show where the non Martial Artist host was taught to break a single board with nominal instruction.

I submit that it is much more impressive to see someone jump in the air and kick 3 separate targets with a single foot, or even 2 feet and break all targets of standard boards before landing as opposed to the same technique with whatever is used for lots of demos.
 

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I have been looking for the board holder things everywhere! Anyone know where I can find them?
 

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Thanks for the reply! Not exact what I'm looking for- I'm looking more for the ones the demo team has like in the video of the first post on this thread....
If you mean the plastic pipe and clip type, they make their own.

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Thanks for the reply! Not exact what I'm looking for- I'm looking more for the ones the demo team has like in the video of the first post on this thread....

The pipe and clip things used to hold the wafer boards? Make them. Given how little impact they have to hold up to, you could easily make them with hand tools.
 
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