Intent Yi (意)

In our practice, it starts with “standing” — learning how to stand is the foundation. By adjusting outer alignments, you gradually develop the perception of something deeper inside.

From there, inner perceptions begin to emerge. The harmonies aren’t “connected” so much as revealed and refined. Outer adjustments improve inner perception — outside to inside, then inside guiding outside.
Ok, thanks

Standing practice has been my experience as well, but 'connecting' is the main focus in the early training. We may be on the same page and using the term differently, but in the beginning stages of the practice it's all about intent and nothing to do with alignment or a separation of 'internal' and 'external' since what some refer to as 'internal harmonies' are the first and forever central focus of that standing.
 
Reply in this thread is against my better judgment but….


Pretty simple actually
Hands Harmonize with Feet
Hips Harmonize with Shoulders
Elbows Harmonize with Knees


See my above post
Thanks

My questions to Woo Wing Gar were about the nuts and bolts of the method of understanding the 'external' harmonies as a physical practice, and what types of instruction raw beginners would get toward that aim.

I just figured that if someone really understands something, they should be able to explain it in plain and simple terms without a lot of "mumbo jumbo".
 
As someone who doesn't know a thing about Tai chi. I'm curious as to why these discussions never delve into specific applications from forms or otherwise? These discussions are always so out there. I swear you'd think there are martial arts. And then there's Tai chi. Can someone show this intent stuff through an application like single whip or something?
Are you familiar with single whip from a particular taiji style (Yang, Wu, Sun, other)?
 
Are you familiar with single whip from a particular taiji style (Yang, Wu, Sun, other)?
Nope. I really don't know a thing about Taichi. I've just seen some basic fighting applications for single whip I really like. Thought maybe someone here could point out how the type of intent y'all are discussing is expressed through it. I'm just a lowly karate guy trying to understand what in the world you guys are talking about lol.
 
John Fung, a student of Wei Shuren, push hands with Stuart Shaw...

Stiggy McCool
Oct 26, 2013

This meet-up on the 26th October 2013 occurred after John Fung invited me to come feel his Tai Chi skills for myself. I took him up on his offer and I will let the video speak for itself. We started out with with just basic free-style push-hands with no real emphasis on scoring points by getting the opponent out of the ring. Then we switched to including strikes but only targeting the body.The whole debacle started when I commented that a video (like the one below) that his demonstration was very contrived and wouldn't work against non-compliant people. John Fung challenge me to come to Sydney ... so I did.

• john fung

karrimzz
May 14, 2013

So he couldn’t do it to you. Not surprised. Thanks for the video.
 
How could the burden of proof be mine when you're the one making assertions regarding the internal and external harmonies, and my asking you to share something or your methodology that would substantiate those assertions beyond their being mere assertions?

You are tilting at windmills re: my making things up about people with magical powers. Can you show us where I've done that in this thread? I've made my reasons for participating in this discussion very clear at least a couple of times.
You very much remind me of another member here. You aren’t asking me to share in a spirit of learning, you are trying to build some case that I’m wrong about the nature of compliant people flying through the air when the teacher touches them. I am clearly saying I don’t believe it and it’s fake. You don’t like me saying that for whatever reason. You go chase your rainbows, I’m not trying to convince you of anything. I don’t owe you any explanations beyond what I’ve given.
 
You'll note that I put the word, skill, in single quotes as I'm not really certain what exactly is being demonstrated and have made no claims of any sort. I'm only interested in the ideas without coming at them with my own biases, beliefs, and skills.

What little I do understand (as I alluded to earlier) is that there is a body of work having to do with intent in which intent is the central focus, and that there are instances of the subtleties of that phenomenon playing a role in the way people interact spontaneously, randomly, and by design. It's interesting and might be worth a deeper dive into how it all works.

Clear enough?
Call it work or navel gazing or whatever you want, it has very little to do with Tai Chi Chuan in my opinion. There is a phenomenon called hard work that I find far more valid in relationship to actual skill.
 
There was also another video from the same day where Stuart worked with one of John’s students, someone closer to Stuart’s own size and weight. Very different results.

I corresponded with John about this years ago. He mentioned that at the time, his skill level wasn’t yet developed enough to show something clearly in that context against someone with both skill and size advantages — at least not without it becoming more of a fight. These things happen.


It’s also worth noting that other students from the Wei shuren’s line are recognized for their martial ability, though those clips don’t seem to circulate as much.

Rather than talk about other people, I find it more interesting to discuss one’s own inquiry into methods and practices.
Bottom line, he could not do it against a resisting opponent, not even a little bit.
 
... trying to understand what in the world you guys are talking about lol.
I'm with you on that. It's like trying understand a strange exotic language sometimes.

People have their own experiences and as mentioned earlier, very different foci in their practice even though they're working on the same thing. It's weird.

You're familiar with forward weighted soto uke?
 
Yes It’s not right to call Wang Peisheng a charlatan, but it’s right to say he not really showing anything that rightfully could be called skill as long it’s a set pair performance
I did not call the man a charlatan, I called the demonstration video charlatanism. It’s clear as day.
 
I'm with you on that. It's like trying understand a strange exotic language sometimes.

People have their own experiences and as mentioned earlier, very different foci in their practice even though they're working on the same thing. It's weird.

You're familiar with forward weighted soto uke?
Are you referring to soto uke in forward weighted stance such as a front stance? If so then yes.
 
Oh I
Thanks

My questions to Woo Wing Gar were about the nuts and bolts of the method of understanding the 'external' harmonies as a physical practice, and what types of instruction raw beginners would get toward that aim.

I just figured that if someone really understands something, they should be able to explain it in plain and simple terms without a lot of "mumbo jumbo".
Oh I can explain it, I’m just not here to teach you basic understanding. We were discussing Yi and videos that supposedly show demonstrations of Yi cultivation practice. If you want to talk 6 harmonies that’s a bigger discussion.
 
Oh I

Oh I can explain it, I’m just not here to teach you basic understanding. We were discussing Yi and videos that supposedly show demonstrations of Yi cultivation practice. If you want to talk 6 harmonies that’s a bigger discussion.

Your wild assumptions about my motives for asking you simple questions about your practice and your past rantings make it clear that you have nothing to contribute to this discussion aside from derisive gibberish. It's neither constructive nor becoming of the tenets you claim to espouse.
 
Thanks

My questions to Woo Wing Gar were about the nuts and bolts of the method of understanding the 'external' harmonies as a physical practice, and what types of instruction raw beginners would get toward that aim.

I just figured that if someone really understands something, they should be able to explain it in plain and simple terms without a lot of "mumbo jumbo".
I don't use Mumbo Jumbo, and I am not here to teach someone online either
This gives you the end points but does not tell about the bowing, winding and spiraling within the limbs and torso, which make this possible. I don't expect anybody to make progress on this alone (at least it did not for me because I was still moving my body the common way).

Then there's this dantian thing that's too complex for my current understanding and skill.
You Seem to claim an understanding of movement but yet do not understand the Dantian... those 2 do not go together. Best thing you can do is have this discussion with your teacher
 
Are you referring to soto uke in forward weighted stance such as a front stance? If so then yes.
Ok, easy enough to play with intent as I understand it from that frame of reference.

This is just a basic exercise that allows you to GET a physical sense of how you can play with intent for some "navel gazing" fun, and not necessarily for application of fighting, although, the method itself will put power into your Karate if you get creative with the idea in your overall continued practice of the method.

You have just snapped into soto uke and are at the terminus of the blocking action (as though you just blocked) as you would in kata. Hold that posture and relax everything while remaining in that stance. Start with your hands relaxing while forming fists but it's like you have a round wooden dowel in each of your hands, about the size of your index finger.

Let your elbows feel like they're sinking toward the floor like they have weights hanging from them, but don't actually lower them with any kind of effort or let their positioning alter your overall stance. Relax your shoulders so your scapulae drop toward your hips. You're holding soto uke but in a relaxed, soft manner.

Focus on your fingertips touching your palms. If you're right side forward, focus on the fingertips of your right hand as they rest against your palm. With all the intent you can apply to opening your right hand, don't. Hold your fingers in their softened state while you focus every bit of your intent to open your hand while keeping it closed. Focus on your fingertips softly touching your palm and check yourself for any tension throughout your body and release it before it's allowed to build.



Try it for a few minutes and switch sides.

Now for some really fun "navel gazing"

Stand in soto uke in the same relaxed manner as you did while working on your hands. Imagine a cable attached to your forward elbow and forward knee. With all the force of intent you played with earlier, lift your forward knee with your forward elbow. You don't need the arresting/opposing hold against the intent of lifting the knee because it's pretty much impossible to physically do that. The same 'resistance' you felt while working the hands is what you're trying to dial in with lifting your knees.

You can do a simpler exercise while sitting on a kitchen chair.

Place your hands on your thighs while seated, and relax your entire body while sitting up straight. Let your elbows and shoulders 'drop' as you did in soto uke ,while holding your elbows slightly forward. Now stand up with the full force of your intent to do so.

There will inevitably be tension as you work through the exercises and it's important to let it happen a little bit so you can modulate it and allow it to show itself so as to understand how it networks in your body because it's different for everyone. The modulation and conscious directing of tension into the 'channels' through which it travels is at least as important to explore and understand as the idea of being relaxed.

It isn't all there is to it, but it's a glimpse into the kinds of work I'm familiar with in exploring the solo work of applied intent.

Look forward to reading your feedback if you're willing to share it here.
 
Your wild assumptions about my motives for asking you simple questions about your practice and your past rantings make it clear that you have nothing to contribute to this discussion aside from derisive gibberish. It's neither constructive nor becoming of the tenets you claim to espouse.
I’m just not patient with nonsense. The tenets I espouse are hard work and legitimacy. I get that you are upset by my tone and posts, sorry for that. My intent is not to insult you.
 

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