How Effective Is Bodybuilding For Self Defence?

[tim po]

How? There is only one real way to 'train' such a thing, and it's not in a 'dojo.'

who said it was?

 

[Unkogami]

who said it was?

And no matter what you do, stronger is still stronger, faster is still faster, smarter is still smarter, and better is still better regardless of any "innate power."

 

[tim po]

And no matter what you do, stronger is still stronger, faster is still faster, smarter is still smarter, and better is still better regardless of any "innate power."

and meaner is still meaner. glad we agree.

 

[Unkogami]

and meaner is still meaner. glad we agree.

And "meaner" means exactly jack squat compared to all those other attributes.

 

[tim po]

And "meaner" means exactly jack squat compared to all those other attributes.

if you say so.

 

[Unkogami]

if you say so.

I say so.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Don't get carried away.


Why are you swinging from one extreme to another? Is it truly ruthless or gently disarming and making friends?


We can disagree. I'm fine with that. This is similar to that other thread about hating your enemy. This isn't about how other people act. It's about how we choose to act, and whether we actually have a functioning, consistent moral compass. I mean, if your sense of right and wrong is so flexible that you apply one set of values to some people and different values to others... that's problematic.

I don't think being ruthless is a trait that is to be admired in anyone. I certainly wouldn't want to be known as ruthless, and I wouldn't want to promote ruthlessness in anyone I know.

Are other people ruthless? Sure. Some people seem to be proud of it. Do I want to be friends with, or even friendly to them? Probably not, at least, not if they understand what ruthlessness really is. In fact, it's the opposite. Someone who is truly ruthless is probably someone I would actively avoid associating with, and while I would prefer not to harm that person, I would not hesitate to do so. Recognizing it when you see it helps you protect yourself from those dudes.

I guess to say it as simply as I can, the opposite of ruthlessness isn't meekly naive. You can be compassionate without being victim, just as you can protect yourself without being a sociopath.

So, maybe when you guys are talking about being mean and ruthless, you have an unconventional definition of those words that changes their meaning significantly. If so, I'm willing to try and figure out what you really mean. But if you actually intend to use the words in their true sense, we may just fundamentally disagree. Because ruthlessness is intrinsically immoral, in my opinion, and unnecessary for self defense.

Well I’m kidding. But since we were talking ruthless…

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Don't get carried away.


Why are you swinging from one extreme to another? Is it truly ruthless or gently disarming and making friends?


We can disagree. I'm fine with that. This is similar to that other thread about hating your enemy. This isn't about how other people act. It's about how we choose to act, and whether we actually have a functioning, consistent moral compass. I mean, if your sense of right and wrong is so flexible that you apply one set of values to some people and different values to others... that's problematic.

I don't think being ruthless is a trait that is to be admired in anyone. I certainly wouldn't want to be known as ruthless, and I wouldn't want to promote ruthlessness in anyone I know.

Are other people ruthless? Sure. Some people seem to be proud of it. Do I want to be friends with, or even friendly to them? Probably not, at least, not if they understand what ruthlessness really is. In fact, it's the opposite. Someone who is truly ruthless is probably someone I would actively avoid associating with, and while I would prefer not to harm that person, I would not hesitate to do so. Recognizing it when you see it helps you protect yourself from those dudes.

I guess to say it as simply as I can, the opposite of ruthlessness isn't meekly naive. You can be compassionate without being victim, just as you can protect yourself without being a sociopath.

So, maybe when you guys are talking about being mean and ruthless, you have an unconventional definition of those words that changes their meaning significantly. If so, I'm willing to try and figure out what you really mean. But if you actually intend to use the words in their true sense, we may just fundamentally disagree. Because ruthlessness is intrinsically immoral, in my opinion, and unnecessary for self defense.

I grew up around, and was raised by truly ruthless and sociopathic people. I am not that, but I am unfortunately familiar with what that really means.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

How? There is only one real way to 'train' such a thing, and it's not in a 'dojo.'

Where is that exactly? What is that one and only real way to “train” such a thing? Just curious.

 

[Unkogami]

Where is that exactly? ...

Out in the real world.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Out in the real world.

Wait the dojo isn’t real? I don’t know what you mean by the real world.

 

[tim po]

i believe it is this gentleman's perspective that i am speaking from fantasyland. i get that a lot, mostly from people afraid of learning what they have failed to understand.

there is only one place anything is learned. there is only one person who can teach us anything at all. that person is us, and it all happens in our mind. no matter what we observe, experience, or are taught in words or actions, it is our own ability to assimilate the information into something our bodies can do on their own. we also have the ability to tailor our mindset for optimal results, and most martial arts offer tremendous tools for learning to control the primal mind, even if it is rarely mentioned the way i have here... and all of this happens the only place that it can, in our minds.

 

[Unkogami]

Wait the dojo isn’t real? ...

No, most are not.

 

[tim po]

don't cry unk. maybe just try to not be a troll? just a suggestion.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

i believe it is this gentleman's perspective that i am speaking from fantasyland. i get that a lot, mostly from people afraid of learning what they have failed to understand.

there is only one place anything is learned. there is only one person who can teach us anything at all. that person is us, and it all happens in our mind. no matter what we observe, experience, or are taught in words or actions, it is our own ability to assimilate the information into something our bodies can do on their own. we also have the ability to tailor our mindset for optimal results, and most martial arts offer tremendous tools for learning to control the primal mind, even if it is rarely mentioned the way i have here... and all of this happens the only place that it can, in our minds.

Nicely written.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

No, most are not.

Except yours?

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

No, most are not.

What makes it real? Oh wait there are likely 200 threads on this.

 

[Unkogami]

Except yours?

Mine?
??????

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Mine?
??????

Yes yours. Your dojo. Do you have one or attend one?

 

[Oily Dragon]