Guns honestly throw the entire balance out of whack. Guns are intimidating at first being a portable boomstick that can instantly end people with the pull of a trigger and if you dont know it's strengths and weaknesses you're gonna lock up and have no idea what to do.
Guns make people overconfident.
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Master Black Belt
I live in the south, and I really hate it when other southerners act like they have a monopoly on certain things. Tells me they've never been up north.
Anyhow, the highest rates of gun ownership are in the northwest, followed by the midwest. Not the south. Hell, Texas is even ranked #27.
Gun Ownership by State (2024 Statistics)
Which states have the highest rates of guns per capita? This article breaks down gun ownership by state.
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drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
The volume of sales is substantial.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
Yeah.
I think what is going to happen is technology is going to favor the AR. And the technology is going to be important.
Eg. Smart scopes. Which are being used to counter drones.
The Australian army is starting to look at the 300 blackout. I assume for its ability to be suppressed. And looking at the sig I think. Just because it is easier to do that to ARs than it is to steyers
This is true for Western countries. The developing world and many Eastern countries will continue to use AK variants for years to come, largely due to costs.
GreenieMeanie
Black Belt
I’ve heard many horror stories about the “Criminal Protection Service.” The UK reality is that if I’m confronted with a stabbing device, I’m not allowed to carry a proper weapon to defend myself with.
GreenieMeanie
Black Belt
Right, so, when are you going to start studying and training?
Once I actually have the money to go to a respectable gym
GreenieMeanie
Black Belt
Sounds like you can get to studying at least.
GreenieMeanie
Black Belt
O'Malley
2nd Black Belt
Not an expert on UK public security, but the idea is that nobody's allowed to walk around armed. Which means that if the bad guy gets controlled and they find the knife he was supposed to stab you with, they'll take it away from him and he'll get in legal trouble. Which makes it less likely that you'll face the knife. Which gives you less of a reason to carry.
Criminals will often use self-defense concerns to justify illegal carrying but it doesn't work. Once I've been to the trial of a guy who had had a scuffle at a bar and stabbed the other guy to death with a kitchen knife he had in his bag. He tried to explain that he carried the knife to protect himself but the judge didn't buy it, as people don't do that here and know it's illegal, so it didn't reflect well on his claims of self-defense.
And, personally, with 10 years of martial training and a long experience dealing with physical assaults, even if I were carrying I'm not sure about the chances of positive outcome if I were to engage an armed fight after being "confronted with a stabbing device".
GreenieMeanie
Black Belt
Why would a criminal stick around, after stabbing someone, let alone keep the weapon.
You train reaction, dueling, or counter-ambushing?
Fungus
Black Belt
The idea is that there are two paths to walk:
Allow people to armselves as much as they want (for protection), but this leads to the rearmament inflation, and more and more powerful weapons on the streets, and more tension.
The other idea is that noone should walk around with weapons, this leads to less and less weapons on the street and less tension. So whenever there is a conflict (it will happen anyway) the probability for deadly outcome is smaller.
Occasionally there are always nutcases in society, and if there are guns all over the place, these people wil do alot more damage. So the second strategy is to reduce the availability of weapons, and we don¨t think a "terror balance" is the best solution.
Fungus
Black Belt
I think he meant that if the police makes a "routine control" of someone, before a crime is comitted but while he is planning a crime, if he is wearing weapons he will get prosecuted simply for wearing it. So those who havce concealed weapons always need to afraid of routine controls by police. In some neighbourhoos where criminmals or criminal activity is common (statistically documented), the police can in some countries have a right to control you before a crime is comitted. We see this coming also here. The purpose of this is to prevent crime, and make life for criminals difficult.
GreenieMeanie
Black Belt
This is an entirely intellectual and theoretical proposition. Even societies which are heavily armed by default, don’t have this “tension” issue. You have a “balance of power” arrangement, in which no one attacks anyone outside of social violence (someone violated cultural rules). When predatory attacks do happen, they are generally carefully planned to mitigate risks.
People will always find a way to arm themselves, if they perceive a threat, and don’t believe in the authorities ability to resolve the issue. This is well documented going back at least 1000 years.
Criminals use spotters to avoid those things, and if they have to, they get creative with hiding weapons.
Fungus
Black Belt
That "balance of power" implies a tension by definition, as the balance is maintained by more and more force.
I don't nuke you becuase then you will nuke me and then we are both toast. Yes we may have "peace", but if something triggers the big guns the more fatal outcome. this is the "tension" or "potential" trapped.
Some think it's leads to a better society if you try to reduce the primary causes for disagreements, and not prevent the conflict by just power balancing. I would not feel safe know that everyone walks around with guns in their pockets. Me also having one would not help much.
GreenieMeanie
Black Belt
My point was that people who live in such societies aren’t afraid of each other being armed. They know that as long as they follow the rules in their culture, they’ll be fine. The idea that balance is maintained through democratic discourse is an entirely middle to upper class American and European concept. That is not how the world works past the fence.
Fungus
Black Belt
Agreed.
Agreed.
But does this mean we should play along and just respond with more powerful weapons? Is that leading to a good development aside from power balance?
