truth_seeker87
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George Dillman getting knocked out
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MarkBarlow
Purple Belt
I could be missing something but it looked like a simple shuto to the side of the neck. Nothing magic about knocking someone down with that, especially if they've already been mentally prepped to fall down.
I like how he lifts his foot up and moves it out of the way so he can fall down after getting "knocked out"
The slap out ukemi is nice too...
truth_seeker87
Yellow Belt
I don't believe he was mentally prepped at all. I believe this was a simple demonstration of Kyusho.
As for the Ukemi, I don't know. It somewhat looks like it, but doesn't look like he easily got back up again. Looking at other knock out footage, its about the same reaction.
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I wonder how old that clip is
interseting to see the two togeather on the floor
interseting to see the two togeather on the floor
That it was, a standard demo of Kyusho, but not a physical KO.
And they do the same thing. When people get KOed they do not step out of the way or fall cleanly like that. Watch how boxers and MMA fighters fall when they get KOed, the knees buckle out and the go straight down, not gracefully lie down like these guys.
It's all in there head.
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truth_seeker87
Yellow Belt
This isn't a boxing match.
and when the people fall in these demos it is far from graceful. There just not getting throttled and thrown to the ground. It certainly wasn't like this:
I do not believe Mr.Dillman was expecting this.
and when the people fall in these demos it is far from graceful. There just not getting throttled and thrown to the ground. It certainly wasn't like this:
I do not believe Mr.Dillman was expecting this.
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That it is not, however the physical reaction to being Knocked out would remain the same, regardless of the cause.
Maybe this needs to go to The Great Debate in order to get to the bottom of Oyata's credentials? That would be an interesting thread for all parties involved.
Sorros
Orange Belt
I totally agree, in the emergency room we often see patients on a daily basis, who have passed out, with huge lumps on their heads, and black eyes, broken noses. People generally fall straight back or straight forward when they pass out, where ever their weight has shifted.
It as a common practice to twist the patients nipple (this is the stuff in the trauma room you donÂ’t see.) of patients to see if they are aware of any stimulus or to see if and suspected faker, is faking unconsciousness.
Another test is to hold the patients hand directly above their face and drop it. An unconscious person, the hand falls right on there nose. A patient faking unconsciousness,
will let the hand fall to the side of their face, or on their chest or side.
I have long been suspicious of Dillman.
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You came very close to owing me a new keyboard with that
Then its a good thing he didn't tell you about the catheter...
Then its a good thing he didn't tell you about the catheter...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Damn, I just repped you for something else... Carol, you're going to have to cut down on reppable one-liners and such... I can't keep up with 'em!
That must have been one of the 6 or so seminars George attended
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Sam:asian:
Nice video!!!! I was there. It was at Mr. Oyata's annual seminar in Kansas City area and Dillman had been there all day taking notes and getting information on his recorder...but he hadn't done any physical training at all. Not a single drop of sweat.
So....several of us conspired and suggested to Master Oyata that he use "Georgie" for his uke at the kyusho demo. He agreed, not knowing what we were up to.
The strike to Dillman's neck was made with the tips of the first two fingers...nice shot.
It just warms my cockels to see this again. Thanks!
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So....several of us conspired and suggested to Master Oyata that he use "Georgie" for his uke at the kyusho demo. He agreed, not knowing what we were up to.
The strike to Dillman's neck was made with the tips of the first two fingers...nice shot.
It just warms my cockels to see this again. Thanks!
:angel:
From what I've heard, Oyata Sensei is a REAL kyusho master. People I respect greatly have been totally impressed with his knowledge. I am curious as to his background though. It'd be nice to see where all that comes from...
Cruentus
Grandmaster
Oyata is a "real" Kyusho master, and I have met people who have done some training in the Okinawian arts in country.
Anyway, "real" Kyusho is not rocket science or magic tricks; it's simple effects of hitting people in vital areas. If you smash someone on the side of their neck or base of the skull and cause the brain to slosh around, you'll likely get a knock out, or some stars and a black out.
People just make this out to be more then it is, that's all.
My take, anyhow...
C.
Anyway, "real" Kyusho is not rocket science or magic tricks; it's simple effects of hitting people in vital areas. If you smash someone on the side of their neck or base of the skull and cause the brain to slosh around, you'll likely get a knock out, or some stars and a black out.
People just make this out to be more then it is, that's all.
My take, anyhow...
C.
Hey Paul you are definately right on here. Oyata is the real deal with Kyusho but the truth of the matter is that this is not rocket science and or magic but really rather simple stuff just like you pointed out. One even has to ask if it is good to knock these people out so often? Does it predispose them to being knocked out in a real confrontation? Is it potentially causing them to maybe have a concussion? If so then maybe these individuals should rethink what they are doing at seminars.
Bottom line I can teach someone to knock someone else out in less than twenty seconds if the other person just stands there. (nothing secret and really nothing special) Now teach someone how to do that against a resisting attacker and they are successful, well that is special!
MarkBarlow
Purple Belt
You honestly believe he had no idea what was coming? He was asked to stand there while Oyata Sensei demonstrated technique but Dillman somehow believed he wasn't actually involved in what was about to happen?
I'm not questioning anyone's ability or guilabilty here and there's no need to be defensive.
