I think the current thinking is that it's based more on womb conditions than genetics, though teher's likely some genetic component too.
Gay Activists to Protest
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I think the current thinking is that it's based more on womb conditions than genetics, though teher's likely some genetic component too.
Whether you regard homosexuality as a preference or not (and I don't; it is my opinion that, while some events and/or potential consequences can cause you to act against your inclination) that does not change the fact that what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes and lives is no ones' business but their own, and those whose inborn preferences are different from others are welcome to protest those who disagree with them - from either side.
As has been mentioned, homosexuality appears to have a genetic component as well as an environmental component. Homosexual behavior has been seen in a wide variety of species, including our own. The sanctions against homosexuality in various cultures have been so extreme that I have trouble believing that one would "choose" to be homosexual in light of the possible outcomes, up to and including being stoned or burned to death. Why would one even experiment with such a "preference" in light of the possible consequences? That homosexuality continues to occur at the same percentage over the centuries and throughout cultures indicates, to me at least, that there is very little of "preference" about it; else, homosexuality would have died out some time since.
As has been mentioned, homosexuality appears to have a genetic component as well as an environmental component. Homosexual behavior has been seen in a wide variety of species, including our own. The sanctions against homosexuality in various cultures have been so extreme that I have trouble believing that one would "choose" to be homosexual in light of the possible outcomes, up to and including being stoned or burned to death. Why would one even experiment with such a "preference" in light of the possible consequences? That homosexuality continues to occur at the same percentage over the centuries and throughout cultures indicates, to me at least, that there is very little of "preference" about it; else, homosexuality would have died out some time since.
It doesn't mean let or encourage people to do what ever they want. This part of the bible is just as mis-used as "Eye for an eye"
Sean.
Not speaking for Don, but a common fear of the christian right is that their children will be led into unfavorable situations and subsequent choices.
Sean
So Don ... when did you choose to be straight? It's a choice, right? Or is anything except what you do naturally the "choice" of someone else? What about the portion of the animal kingdom that exhibits exclusively homosexual behaviors? Do they make a choice? Because *I* thought choice was part and parcel of free will - that which The Lord Your God gave only to Man?
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean your emotional feelings towards something that clearly threatens you and frightens you can decide whether something is a choice in another person or not.
You chose to be hetero too, didn't you? You're trying to align the exhibition of affection with innate sexual choice. My god, man, that's like saying you wear white tube socks with your sandals because you're caucasian ... it has no relevance or bearing. Couples who love and dare to exhibit modest affection with the love of their lives come in all sizes, shapes, colors and orientations.
That could only be said by a hetero who's never lost his job because he's hetero. People play games, people get fired.
Wow. You have a lot of hostility towards homosexuals. Why is that?
Yeah. They used to preach how cool interracial marriages were ... and civil rights were ... and being overweight is ... and ... oh wait ... there's no value in any of those things either.
The entertainment industry is a study in human behavior; some of it positive, some of it negative, some of it neutral ... and the rest are a smattering of other things. I think you're just jealous that Will is richer than you are.
Just like hangings and glass ceilings and nazi parades in Skokie ... still done but much less these days. Martha sez it's a good thing.
Twin Fist
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Shesulsa,
dont try to read my mind, you sort of suck at it.
I have no hostility towards gays. I speak up in favor of gay marraige whenever it is brought up. I had no problems with the gay dude that was on my ship.
What I am hostile towards is falsehoods.
it is a truism that human nature is human nature. And human nature is to play any advantage we can to get those things we require. Some Women use thier periods and or kids to get out of work and get time off. Some men call in sick to go hunting, some non-whites scream racism to get thier way.
it would be foolish to think that members of other protected classes (real or percieved) didnt do the same thing.
We are all human beings and as such we are all subject to human nature. Some people dont stoop to that, but some people do
Besides, i am SOOO much prettier than Will.............Well, i am prettier than Jack..............well, ok, I have a bigger rack than Grace...........wait....
dont try to read my mind, you sort of suck at it.
I have no hostility towards gays. I speak up in favor of gay marraige whenever it is brought up. I had no problems with the gay dude that was on my ship.
What I am hostile towards is falsehoods.
it is a truism that human nature is human nature. And human nature is to play any advantage we can to get those things we require. Some Women use thier periods and or kids to get out of work and get time off. Some men call in sick to go hunting, some non-whites scream racism to get thier way.
it would be foolish to think that members of other protected classes (real or percieved) didnt do the same thing.
We are all human beings and as such we are all subject to human nature. Some people dont stoop to that, but some people do
Besides, i am SOOO much prettier than Will.............Well, i am prettier than Jack..............well, ok, I have a bigger rack than Grace...........wait....
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Now you get it.....:lol:
Why does it have to be Christian right?
Black Americans, who if understood as a group, are far from being on the right of the political spectrum. But, if they are Christian, they would be just as much against gay marriage as any Republican, or as some like to term them, right-wringers.
Love the little rhetorical shots though. They show where someone is really coming from.
I made the choice to be straight the same time I chose my natural hair color, my eye color and my skin color. Oh wait, I didn't have any choice in those matters.
I did however choose what car to by, what color my hair is now, what beard style I'll have, and the color of my tie.
I didn't choose what foods I enjoy, the rate of degeneration effecting my eyes, and my lactose intolerance.
I did however choose which ice cream I ate yesterday, what over priced sandwich I had today, and which of my partners butt cheeks-if any-that I smacked tonight.
The fact that those butt cheeks were attached to a girl and not a guy was not my choice.
In fact, I suppose I could go both ways...except....
beards don't thrill me
I'm not really an *** man
I'm not into "danglys"
I like a womans shape more than a mans shape
I'm not into hairy chests
I'm not into having anything rammed into my ***, and the thought of it happening does not excite me.
At no point do I recall sitting down and thinking "Well, Steve has faboo abs, but Sheila's got those amazing tatas. Oh which one do I wanna rub my face into? It's soooo hard to decide."
Steve's abs may just be faboo, but Mr. Happy could care less.
Shelia however has a much different effect on him.
She however doesn't care.
She's too busy jilling off to the SI swimsuit issue to notice me.
(fictional examples)
I did however choose what car to by, what color my hair is now, what beard style I'll have, and the color of my tie.
I didn't choose what foods I enjoy, the rate of degeneration effecting my eyes, and my lactose intolerance.
I did however choose which ice cream I ate yesterday, what over priced sandwich I had today, and which of my partners butt cheeks-if any-that I smacked tonight.
The fact that those butt cheeks were attached to a girl and not a guy was not my choice.
In fact, I suppose I could go both ways...except....
beards don't thrill me
I'm not really an *** man
I'm not into "danglys"
I like a womans shape more than a mans shape
I'm not into hairy chests
I'm not into having anything rammed into my ***, and the thought of it happening does not excite me.
At no point do I recall sitting down and thinking "Well, Steve has faboo abs, but Sheila's got those amazing tatas. Oh which one do I wanna rub my face into? It's soooo hard to decide."
Steve's abs may just be faboo, but Mr. Happy could care less.
Shelia however has a much different effect on him.
She however doesn't care.
She's too busy jilling off to the SI swimsuit issue to notice me.
(fictional examples)
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Was she watching the original British "Queer as Folk" or the American version? I believe there's a bit difference between them. The sense of humour for one thing lol! the British one is set in a Northern town so it's likely you'd need subtitles as Micheal Bisping did in TUF.
Yes deliberate thread drift there.
I don't believe being gay is something one chooses on a whim, I believe you don't have a choice but if you did, does it really matter? Can't you just respect someone for who they are anyway?
Twin Fist,
"Do not reproach your fellow for a blemish that is in you" Rashi.
Why, thank you, Doctor. :spock:
I really think the low-lifes who pull that crap are in the minority rather than the majority. I feel rather confident in saying that there are far too many people whom have been injured financially and carreer-wise from their orientation than have profited from it.
Please, NObody's prettier than Will.
Pretty is as pretty does.
Heh ... who doesn't?
Bester
<font color=blue><B>Grand UberSoke, Sith-jutsu Ryu
I agree Don. What a load of crap your comment here is. Ignorance and Stupidity in one small phobic package. How convenient of you.
All of the reasons that Andy lists above, I could see causing someone who is gay to want so very badly not to be. Years of bashing and being told how wrong it is to have those feelings, fear of public ridicule, fear of losing ones family support could lead a gay person to turn to god for answers, spiritual healing and guidance. Does it "cure" them, no, probably not its who they are. Does it allow them to hopefully sleep better and without fear, could be. Faith is an amazing thing. So for those gays that feel they have been "cured" I say congratulations. For those gays that feel they should be able to live in an open society, I say, yes you should.
The choice is always in the way you want to live your life and how far you are willing to go and what you are willing to sacrifice to get it.
Bester
<font color=blue><B>Grand UberSoke, Sith-jutsu Ryu
Some "people" can't repect anyone unless they are clones of themselves.
CoryKS
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That's a rather ironic statement from someone who jumped in here (and every other thread in The Study) to call people ignorant and stupid for having beliefs that are different from yours.
Come on people this thread is about Gay activists and protesting not who is the bigger butthead and who can be the biggest butthead of all by calling someone else a butthead.
We have two schools of thought here. People who believe one can be changed through prayer and those that feel they don't need to be.
Which is right? Which is wrong? and why?
We have two schools of thought here. People who believe one can be changed through prayer and those that feel they don't need to be.
Which is right? Which is wrong? and why?
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Yeah, prayer worked so well for those pedophile priests. :uhoh:
And no, I'm not equating homosexuality with pedophilia.
