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Icepick
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Ever since I was a small child, I have derived great enjoyment from bullying those smaller than myself, so naturally, I like sports/arts like wrestling and BJJ.
My first and most extensive exposure to Martial Arts has been in Modern Arnis. As a FMArtist, I have also followed the rise of the Dog Brothers, and their style of "Real Contact Stickfighting". This leads me to wonder why we see so little groundfighting in the FMA. In Modern Arnis, the groundfighting portion generally consists of: I throw you to the ground, I "groundfight", your arm breaks. Professor taught very little (any?) technique for being in an inferior position on the ground. I once attempted to explore this with him, by asking "What would you do in a stickfight if the other guy tackled you?". He looked at me quizzically, and asked "Who could do that?". Now, that may work for someone who is clearly at the genius level in stickfighting, but obviously, not every eskrimador is at Professor's level...
I have a few theories (not that they all originate with me, but):
1.) If an eskrimador had a stick, he probably had a knife as backup. A knife is an effective deterrent to grappling.
2.) Even in "death matches" in the PI, Manong Buot describes a referee, and rules. These matches were a test of skill, and losing your stick is a loss. Therefore, most Arnis/Kali/Eskrima systems eschewed groundfighting.
3.) There exist indigenous FMA grappling arts, but there has not been the incentive to continue them or bring them to the US.
4.) The use of a helmet in DBMA fighting makes the takedown possible. Between skilled eskrimador, the use of the punyo makes groundfighting unlikely.
There are surely people who know a lot more than me on this topic, and I look forward to your responses. Also, has anyone trained in Paul Vunak's "Dumog" or Garimot Arnis "Buno". I've seen a little of the latter, but no dumog as described in PFS video.
Thanks!
My first and most extensive exposure to Martial Arts has been in Modern Arnis. As a FMArtist, I have also followed the rise of the Dog Brothers, and their style of "Real Contact Stickfighting". This leads me to wonder why we see so little groundfighting in the FMA. In Modern Arnis, the groundfighting portion generally consists of: I throw you to the ground, I "groundfight", your arm breaks. Professor taught very little (any?) technique for being in an inferior position on the ground. I once attempted to explore this with him, by asking "What would you do in a stickfight if the other guy tackled you?". He looked at me quizzically, and asked "Who could do that?". Now, that may work for someone who is clearly at the genius level in stickfighting, but obviously, not every eskrimador is at Professor's level...
I have a few theories (not that they all originate with me, but):
1.) If an eskrimador had a stick, he probably had a knife as backup. A knife is an effective deterrent to grappling.
2.) Even in "death matches" in the PI, Manong Buot describes a referee, and rules. These matches were a test of skill, and losing your stick is a loss. Therefore, most Arnis/Kali/Eskrima systems eschewed groundfighting.
3.) There exist indigenous FMA grappling arts, but there has not been the incentive to continue them or bring them to the US.
4.) The use of a helmet in DBMA fighting makes the takedown possible. Between skilled eskrimador, the use of the punyo makes groundfighting unlikely.
There are surely people who know a lot more than me on this topic, and I look forward to your responses. Also, has anyone trained in Paul Vunak's "Dumog" or Garimot Arnis "Buno". I've seen a little of the latter, but no dumog as described in PFS video.
Thanks!