I hear lots of talk of groud on tirsa-concpts BUT not 1 on the art of Presas line.Do none of you have time from 70s or 80 when Kuntao was primary?The sikaron or pana --jockmen depending on region you want to call the low line kicks & the hubud we did had endless standing to ground & vice versa.This was our training.How can 1 say they have mater of if they dont know the line & history of the art & founder & details of such said art.QUESTION?