I started with Frank Dux in 1986. The first board I ever broke (in feb. of 1987) was held by him, and signed by him afterwords. I was about 8 at the time, and I still have it. I studied with him until I was 12, and we moved from the area. My uncle is a BB under Frank, and I watched Michael Morgan, Michael Cairns (both were my instructors at various times) and others get the BB's at that time.