Dojo challenging? Still active?

[Deleted member 32980]

Hey, for anyone that can help, I'd like to know if dojo challenging is still a acceptable option towards dojos.

Many people I've met have said, "training by yourself is hurting more than helping."

And, "you can't be good at all without any 'formal' training such as a dojo."

Obviously those people need to understand that you don't need others to teach yourself or develop a style of your own.
Books also can assist in understanding.

So by never being in a dojo to train 'formally', would it prove them all by challenging a dojo with all due respect and honors offered.

Thanks for offering helpful comments. Don't waste space or I'll report you on-the-spot.

 

[geezer]

Hey, for anyone that can help, I'd like to know if dojo challenging is still a acceptable option towards dojos.

Many people I've met have said, "training by yourself is hurting more than helping."

And, "you can't be good at all without any 'formal' training such as a dojo."

Obviously those people need to understand that you don't need others to teach yourself or develop a style of your own.
Books also can assist in understanding.

So by never being in a dojo to train 'formally', would it prove them all by challenging a dojo with all due respect and honors offered.

Thanks for offering helpful comments. Don't waste space or I'll report you on-the-spot.

If you like to fight and have some natural aptitude, you might be able to get pretty good at kicking butt from a combination of training with friends and life experience ...you know, gym hopping, sparring with some tough buddies, getting in fights, and so forth.

That said, that's not what most TMA are about. Certainly not what my group is about. And challenging schools would prove absolutely nothing. Traditional martial artists know that sometimes untrained or self trained individuals can pretty tough. And some traditional martial artists aren't very effective fighters. So what?

Participating as a guest in the open sparring sessions held by some groups is one thing. Dojo challenging is another. If it were me, I'd ask you to leave, then if you didn't , I'd call the cops.

 

[Deleted member 32980]

Can you expand on "open sparring sessions"

And wow. You'd go that far with cops? Even if he wasn't doing anything illegal or threatening.

 

[Instructor]

Absolutely, if someone comes into my school and starts threatening my students, I would call the cops too. Now coming to broaden your horizons and entering the class and sparring sessions as a respectful student would acceptable. But just coming in and challenging people to a fight, that's trouble.

 

[Deleted member 32980]

You don't understand. You walk in and not challenge the students. You wait to talk to the sensei and do your greetings and ask to challenge the dojo, then he tells you what you have to do. Usually fight the senpais

 

[Tez3]

You don't understand. You walk in and not challenge the students. You wait to talk to the sensei and do your greetings and ask to challenge the dojo, then he tells you what you have to do. Usually fight the senpais

Why would you do that?

 

[Deleted member 32980]

*facepalm*

For a adventure/knowledge/understanding

 

[Dirty Dog]

Hey, for anyone that can help, I'd like to know if dojo challenging is still a acceptable option towards dojos.

Only if you want to land in jail.

Many people I've met have said, "training by yourself is hurting more than helping."

And they are absolutely correct. I've read many books about martial arts. I've written two of them. I've watched tons of videos.
You can't learn martial arts from books or videos.

And, "you can't be good at all without any 'formal' training such as a dojo."

That is absolutely correct. You cannot learn martial arts from books and videos, even if you've convinced yourself that you're something special. Here's a free clue. You're not. Every kid thinks they are. Learning to separate this fantasy from reality is part of the process of maturing.

Obviously those people need to understand that you don't need others to teach yourself or develop a style of your own.
Books also can assist in understanding.

Do you catch bullets in your teeth as part of your training?

So by never being in a dojo to train 'formally', would it prove them all by challenging a dojo with all due respect and honors offered.

Where's that ROFL thing that Elder999 uses???

Thanks for offering helpful comments. Don't waste space or I'll report you on-the-spot.

By all means. If you think someone if violating the TOS, you should report them. Make sure you've read and understood the TOS yourself, though.

 

[Dirty Dog]

You don't understand. You walk in and not challenge the students. You wait to talk to the sensei and do your greetings and ask to challenge the dojo, then he tells you what you have to do. Usually fight the senpais

Allow me to quote one of the Great Ones.... Great GrandMaster Mr MIagi... "You too much TV."

 

[Instructor]

You don't understand. You walk in and not challenge the students. You wait to talk to the sensei and do your greetings and ask to challenge the dojo, then he tells you what you have to do. Usually fight the senpais

I think I understand. What you are suggesting reminds me of that movie IP Man. In this day and age, in the USA at least, that kind of thing just isn't going on. If you are looking to test your mettle in competition I suggest joining an MMA program that competes.

We had a guy show up from a rival school back in the early nineties. He participated in one class and then asked to spar. He ignored every rule and tried to hurt people. He punched the throat and tried to break someone's knee. He was asked to leave and when he refused we called the police, then he ran away. I think he was attempting to discredit us. It didn't work, 20 years later we are all still going strong and teaching.

 

[Deleted member 32980]

Thanks for the story. How dishonorable ignoring the rules.

Edit: who disagreed with my post???? Do you like to brake honor-bound rules ??

 

[RTKDCMB]

OK, this sounds like fun.

Hey, for anyone that can help, I'd like to know if dojo challenging is still a acceptable option towards dojos. .

I have never seen that myself.

Many people I've met have said, "training by yourself is hurting more than helping."

ONLY training by yourself is hurting more than helping.
NEVER training by yourself (as in never practicing what you have learned in class at home) is hurting more than helping.

And, "you can't be good at all without any 'formal' training such as a dojo."

It would be more accurate to say that you can't be good at all without learning form a qualified and competent instructor

Obviously those people need to understand that you don't need others to teach yourself or develop a style of your own.

You do if you want to be any good.

Books also can assist in understanding.

Books are no substitute for experience.

So by never being in a dojo to train 'formally', would it prove them all by challenging a dojo with all due respect and honors offered.

Good luck with that.

Thanks for offering helpful comments. Don't waste space or I'll report you on-the-spot.

Your welcome.

 

[Dirty Dog]

*facepalm*

For a adventure/knowledge/understanding

Well, no, what you're describing falls more into the category of "ego trip to fantasy land" than anything else...

 

[Tez3]

*facepalm*

For a adventure/knowledge/understanding

An adventure in what? A potential beating up, a visit to the police station then court?
Knowledge of what? How to disrupt martial arts students going about their normal training? Why would anyone want to teach you anything when you intend to challenge them to a fight. You won't learn much if you get KO'd will you. Will you learn anything if they politely refuse and turn their backs on you?
I would suggest pushing your way into a dojo and challenging people will give you no understanding whatsoever though I can imagine the students will understand that is not how civilised people behave.

 

[drop bear]

Just go do a fight. Pick a rule set that appeals and compete in that.

then there is no need to be challenging dojos.

 

[Deleted member 32980]

Is what they used to di

 

[Dirty Dog]

Is what they used to di

It's generally a bad idea to assume that you're going to learn anything real from fantasy novels.
Now, don't get me wrong. I still enjoy Diablo III, and I played D&D from the start, with the basic set. But I knew the difference between fantasy and reality.
Find someone willing to train you. Quit claiming to be something you're clearly not.

 

[K-man]

Hey, for anyone that can help, I'd like to know if dojo challenging is still a acceptable option towards dojos.

I don't know if dojo challenging was ever an acceptable option. Why would you even bother? There are 'All Styles' tournaments every few weeks if you want to compete. There are MMA events regularly as well so why would you want to challenge an individual dojo?

 

[Tez3]

Is what they used to di

Who are 'they'? I've been in martial arts for many, many years and I've never heard or known of anyone who has 'invaded' a dojo. I've seen fictional 'invasions' in films though.......

 

[Deleted member 32980]

Japan. For renown appeal.