Dit Da Jow

[opr1945145 32]

I recently first learned of Dit Da Jow. Seems like a pandora box of versions. With wildly varying claims.


"Dit Da Jow refers to a category of herbal liniments for martial arts training, focusing on supporting the recovery of injury and relief of pain of the bones, joints, muscles, ligaments, and tendons. There are many different "recipes" of dit da jow using varying combinations of herbs, created by herbalists and martial arts masters."

I have come across many practitioners stating their Sensi has their own secret version handed down family lineage for centuries.

So what is your opinion?
Does it work?
Are some variations more effective than others?
Do the variations address different issues?

So what do you recommend for an old man who is relatively new to Martial Arts?

 

[opr1945145 32]

Part of this started as I came across a student who makes his own dit da jow. He gave me a bottle, but I haven't tried it yet. Sort of have mixed emotions about it. Looking for guidance.

 

[Same Trick93 44]

Snake oil may be an ingredient in it .

 

[Gyakuto147 156]

No, it does nothing beyond placebo, which can, of course, be a strong effect. When a substance claims such a wide range of benefits one has to activate ‘critical thinking mode’ and ask, ‘Really? What is the evidence?’ Mounjaro could be placed in that same category of a miracle substance, but there is a ton of evidence for those claims.

If Dit Ja Jow is very cheap, your formulation of choice doesn't have questionable or indeed dangerous ingredients then go ahead and try it.

 

[_Simon_147 178]

No, it does nothing beyond placebo, which can, of course, be a strong effect. When a substance claims such a wide range of benefits one has to activate ‘critical thinking mode’ and ask, ‘Really? What is the evidence?’ Mounjaro could be placed in that same category of a miracle substance, but there is a ton of evidence for those claims.

If Dit Ja Jow is very cheap, your formulation of choice doesn't have questionable or indeed dangerous ingredients then go ahead and try it.

.....Gyakuto... !!!!!!! Really nice to hear from you, fair few of us were worried about you. Great to see you brother, hope you're well

 

[Gyakuto147 156]

Thank you _Simon_ I just needed a break from this forum and went over to Japan Reference to talk about Japan, politics and miso soup recipes!

 

[opr1945145 32]

Thank you _Simon_ I just needed a break from this forum and went over to Japan Reference to talk about Japan, politics and miso soup recipes!

Glad it was not a serious medical issue. I enjoyed your post. Welcome.

PS: next time why don't you say good-by when you leave.

 

[opr1945145 32]

The gentleman who gave me a small bottle said it will stain clothes. Does it also stain you hands when rubbing it on? If yes is there a way to remove stain? Solvent, etc?

 

[opr1945145 32]

’ Mounjaro could be placed in that same category of a miracle substance, but there is a ton of evidence for those claims.

Interesting, I am currently on Mounjaro. It seems to be helping.

If Dit Ja Jow is very cheap, your formulation of choice doesn't have questionable or indeed dangerous ingredients then go ahead and try it.

How do you know what the ingredients actually are?

Some time the more expensive product is better than the cheaper one for a reason. Other times it is just marketing.

 

[opr1945145 32]

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[Monkey Turned Wolf146 12]

There's a lot of different brands, with varying effect. I think most will do their job numbing pain/working as a numbing lotion on the area. Anything else that it's claiming is questionable

 

[Prince_Alarming84 20]

No, it does nothing beyond placebo, which can, of course, be a strong effect. When a substance claims such a wide range of benefits one has to activate ‘critical thinking mode’ and ask, ‘Really? What is the evidence?’ Mounjaro could be placed in that same category of a miracle substance, but there is a ton of evidence for those claims.

If Dit Ja Jow is very cheap, your formulation of choice doesn't have questionable or indeed dangerous ingredients then go ahead and try it.

How's it hanging? We've missed you

 

[Gyakuto147 156]

Interesting, I am currently on Mounjaro. It seems to be helping.

Me too. They took me off my diabetes medication today as consequence…an absolute miracle… although significant weight loss is slow compared to some!

How do you know what the ingredients actually are?

Doesn’t US law insist on an ingredients list?

Some time the more expensive product is better than the cheaper one for a reason. Other times it is just marketing.

The ones in fancy packaging are best…for the placebo effect

 

[Gyakuto147 156]

Glad it was not a serious medical issue. I enjoyed your post. Welcome.

PS: next time why don't you say good-by when you leave.

Because I’d expect cake and a party!

 

[Prince_Alarming84 20]

I suspect that the alcohol it's made with has the effect of toughening up your skin and it's the strong alcohol that's actually doing the business.

 

[Prince_Alarming84 20]

As I've said before, you could probably get a similar effect with white spirit, but that's scarcely to be recommended.

 

[opr1945145 32]

The ones in fancy packaging are best…for the placebo effect
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The only ingredients I recognize are alcohol/distilled water and Frankincense. Actually, all I know about frankincense is it was a gift at the first Christmas.

 

[opr1945145 32]

I believe that approved drugs and food products must have ingredients list. Beyond that I don't know.

"No, traditional Dit Da Jow is not FDA-approved because it is sold as a herbal supplement, not a drug. The FDA does not approve herbal supplements, as they are regulated differently than drugs and not subject to the same safety and efficacy testing.

• Dit Da Jow: This is a traditional Chinese herbal liniment used for minor injuries and is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease."

Yes, dit da jow products sold commercially in the United States are generally required to have an ingredient list on their label, based on how they are regulated by the FDA.
The specific requirements depend on how the product is classified (e.g., dietary supplement, cosmetic, or over-the-counter drug), but generally involve:

• Ingredient List: A list of all ingredients. For dietary supplements, this appears in a "Supplement Facts" panel or on the information panel. Ingredients are typically listed in descending order by weight or predominance.

Most commercial dit da jow products include disclaimers indicating they are for "EXTERNAL use only" and "not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease," which helps define their regulatory category. Manufacturers are responsible for ensuring their product labels comply with FDA regulations.


Interesting....I should have looked it up before asking question. But after seeing list of ingredients I don't know how much tha would have helped. LOL. Thanks.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf146 12]

The only ingredients I recognize are alcohol/distilled water and Frankincense. Actually, all I know about frankincense is it was a gift at the first Christmas.

I recognize a couple that have different medical properties. I purchased a few online classes for a herbal school that focuses on western and chinese herbalsim (separately) and one has a materia medica which is a fancy way of saying what each herb is used for.

I'll take a look at that and see what the different ingredients do, been meaning to do that with the translated scroll for a dit da jow recipe from kung fu wang anyway.

If i haven't in the next week, it means i forgot and should be pinged.

 

[Flying Crane]

There are many many recipes for jow, often unique to the maker. A teacher or school might have its own recipe, for use only by the students of that school. Different recipes for different reasons, such as healing vs. conditioning. In my experience, Ive never seen a jow meant to suppress pain, the way something like Tiger Balm or Ben-gay does, often with menthol or something similar.

Jow are meant for a deeper healing, meant to be rubbed in before and after training, to help the body heal minor bruising before it becomes worse. If you don’t feel injured, the idea goes, it is doing its job. But I’ve never seen it claimed that an injury just heals up quickly like magic, with Jow. The body still needs to heal, Jow is supposed to help it do that.

The thing is, it’s difficult to know with certainty if it is working. It is meant to be used regularly with while training. Maybe you don’t get injured, so it is working. Maybe you only get injured a little, so it is working. Or maybe it is just coincidences. A lot of anecdotal evidence.

So, maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t, maybe it depends on who made it. It is impossible to judge broadly.