- Sep 21, 2005
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- San Francisco
I guess I don’t understand why some people seem to feel that they need to have a strict definition of what a particular style is or is not, or what techniques may be found in it.I have no idea what your guys are arguing about.
- Does Karate have sweep?
- Does Judo have punch?
- Does boxing have kick?
- Does TKD have throw?
- Does BJJ have knife fight?
Who cares? If you cross train, this will never be an issue.
Also I don't understand why one's training should be restricted by his style tournament rule. Sanda doesn't allow groin kick, but I train groin kick everyday.I guess I don’t understand why some people seem to feel that they need to have a strict definition of what a particular style is or is not, or what techniques may be found in it.
There is no such standardization. All that someone can say is what their own experience has been.
I don't do shotokan and I have never trained in a Ginchin style of Karate, but I do know katas that show sweeps. To the untrained eye, they can resemble kicks. Two of my students thought, in one of our katas, there was a front kick until I showed them the application and they learned that front kick, was actually a sweep.
Yes, it came down through Korea, but no not through the Gichin line, through the Toyama line a senior of Gichin according to Itosu's student records.Sip Su? You do Tang Soo Do or some variant? Arguably, you have some Gichin Funakoshi lineage though in a roundabout way.
But yes, I imagine we have similar approaches to kata applications. It is the detail that matters. People that don't train in the method can look at just the kata performance and say "it's not there." And that is fine and all... but they are not seeing the full of what happens in the training within the dojo.
Yes, it came down through Korea, but no not through the Gichin line, through the Toyama line a senior of Gichin according to Itosu's student records.
It's a common mistake though, the creator of Tang Soo Do, admittedly, learn from Gichins book.
My lineage is through the Kwon Bop Bu and the Kang Duk Won through Byung In-Yoon, who trained with Toyama directly.
Yes, he is the closet thing to a GM (if such a thing exist) and I have spoken with him through email a few times. As a matter of fact, he knew and trained with Dr. Norman Rha (also known as Rha Jong-nam) that brought Kang Duk Won to the west coast.Cool. I had some friends that trained with Kim Soo in Houston. He's from the Kang Duk Won. Do you still do the Chuan Fa forms like Escaping into the Mist, etc., ?
Speaking of kata, Is it just my school or is Bunkai non existent? How can they expect kata joint locks to be ingrained in your muscle memory if it's banned in sparring and never applied expect on thin air?
This is assuming that kata joint locks actually work, let's assume for argument sake that they do. Even if they do, you don't transfer it to muscle memory unless it's applied....
It is hard to do well and safely. And most styles don't have the proper grounding to understand how they work.
Bunkai won't really help you.
Short answer is learn to wrestle.
Why would he need that if Judo has striking?
Their argument is that joint locks in conjuction with striking to loosen them up do work. Still, if you never fight that way then you won't do it when push comes to shove.Even more illogical is Aikido which doesn't teach striking at all.
Not that you literally can't win a grappling engagement until you have basically knocked the other guy out.
With regards to small joint manipulation against an equally strong opponent, you probably have to loosen him up first with a strike.
Juijitsu operates on a different principle of using leverage=your entire body. Karate katas operate on the assumption that you land a straight right, and then twist the persons arm.
So I buy it, but to do it in practise is different.
I would have to disagree with this, I have used them successfully myself, but you have to stay in the fight and understand the entering concept.Bunkai won't really help you.
I would have to disagree with this, I have used them successfully myself, but you have to stay in the fight and understand the entering concept.
Most people believe that Karate is not a close quarter combat style, they couldn't be more wrong.
Bunkai, have saved my butt more times than can be imagined.
In a striking joint locking exchange. You will get punched five times before you crank an arm if you try to cut corners.
No, in order to use a small joint manipulation, you need to break the other guys structure and take his balance. It also helps to separate the joint you are manipulating from the body. Striking is one way to start this process, but there are other ways as well and striking is just the start.With regards to small joint manipulation against an equally strong opponent, you probably have to loosen him up first with a strike.
Not true. Karate katas operate on the same principle of using leverage and your entire body. If the kata has you landing a punch first and then twisting the arm, it has you using your entire body and leverage for the punch, and then it uses your entire body and leverage for the twist. And if you pay attention, there are details that happen between the punch and the twist, that break his structure and take his balance. Those katas also help you practice moving while keeping your own structure and balance.Juijitsu operates on a different principle of using leverage=your entire body. Karate katas operate on the assumption that you land a straight right, and then twist the persons arm.
Even Funakoshi said that to do kata is one thing and to fight is another. Kata is a way to refine your techniques and to work on details. Sparring, rolling, randori... (full resistance training) is where you learn how to make it work. The idea has always been to use both. Take what you think you are learning in kata and try against full resistance. Fail. (you will) Then, figure out how to make it work against full resistance. Go back to the kata, focus on the details you needed to change to make it work against full resistance. Emphasize and train those details in the kata. Then go back to full resistance and evaluate. Are you better at it? Do you need more work on the same details? Is it time to work on other details? They both work together. Training should never be either or with kata and resistance. It should be yes and yes.So I buy it, but to do it in practise is different.