Am I wrong here?

[SRyuFighter]

Tonight in class my sensei asked us to spar full contact with gloves on. I began a fight with a 2nd degree black belt, whom is a girl that is one year older than myself. She has been taking Karate for 10 years. Anyway we begin sparring and she is bashing my face in. I mean she's drilling me but it's more of an annoying hit, not really one that hurts. So then I take a step back and I see that she is coming in for a kick ( or so I thought) so I raise my knee to block and she puts her foot down and comes in for a punch I (being much taller and bigger than her) hit her in the stomach with my knee. And she takes a step back and starts crying. I just kind of stand there stunned until my sensei walks over to me and asks what happened. I tell him what happened and he makes me bow out and go sit down. Was I am in the wrong to knee her so hard, or should she just learn to take it? Any and all thoughts are appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Chad

 

[Bob Hubbard]

OK, lets see if I have the facts straight first?

Shes 18 and a second degree black belt with 10 yrs experience.
It was full contact sparing.
She went at you full out.
She ran into your knee full force.
She then started crying from the impact of your knee to her stomach.


Do I have the basics down?

 

[SRyuFighter]

Yes you have all the facts straight.

 

[tshadowchaser]

From my point of view only, if it was full contact and she was going full out it was her own move that hurt her. Be that as it may she should have expected to get hit in some manner.

 

[SRyuFighter]

Yea I think I was right in what I did. But I had to stand there and watch her cry and I kind of felt bad. I don't mean to sound like a pansy or anything but I really felt bad.

 

[RyuShiKan]

Given the facts you presented I don’t think you should be blamed for anything.
It sounded like an accident.
Like I tell all my students “this isn’t ballet, it’s a contact activity and sometimes accidents happen, so if you step up there to spar you take your chances”
If there are females in my class I try make the males take it a bit easy on them in sparring since we usually out weigh them and are often stronger than them.
Sparring is to work on technique and isn’t really meant to be a “mark your turf” session.
I will sometimes have one person attack only and one defend only and then switch them each round.

 

[Kempojujutsu]

Originally posted by RyuShiKan
Given the facts you presented I don’t think you should be blamed for anything.
It sounded like an accident.
Like I tell all my students “this isn’t ballet, it’s a contact activity and sometimes accidents happen, so if you step up there to spar you take your chances”

If she was my student, this is what I would have told her. I also don't think you did anything wrong either.
Bob:asian:

 

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by Kempojujutsu
If she was my student, this is what I would have told her. I also don't think you did anything wrong either.
Bob:asian:

If I was her teacher I might have also told her if she is not seriously hurt (i.e. emergency room type) to suck it up and think what would happen if she were to do that in the “real world” when attacked.
She would be another statistic on the rape, mugging, or murder chart.

 

[D_Brady]

She was so determined to hit you in the face she left everything else wide open, in American Kenpo call this white dot focus. I'm off to work now or I'd go into that more, you should ask about white/black dot focus if the term is new for you.Their are a lot of people who can go over this. You did what came natural to you , it was a defeseive move, don't worry about it. It's a lesson she needed.
Can someone cover Whitwe/black dot focus.

Respectfully Dan Brady.

 

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by D_Brady
She was so determined to hit you in the face she left everything else wide open, in American Kenpo call this white dot focus. I'm off to work now or I'd go into that more, you should ask about white/black dot focus if the term is new for you.Their are a lot of people who can go over this. You did what came natural to you , it was a defeseive move, don't worry about it. It's a lesson she needed.
Can someone cover Whitwe/black dot focus.

Respectfully Dan Brady.

Is that anything like target fixation?

 

[Rich Parsons]

Originally posted by SRyuFighter
Yea I think I was right in what I did. But I had to stand there and watch her cry and I kind of felt bad. I don't mean to sound like a pansy or anything but I really felt bad.

SRyuFighter,


You Pansy, to actually feel bad for hurting someone. Come on Now? Seriously, You are not A pansy, I would call you a positive member of society that you were will to step up and take your chances in the trianing, yet your intent was not to seriosuly hurt the opponent, and that you felt bad about it is a good thing to many a person. Do not loose any sleep about the feeling bad thing. I respect you more for it and we have never meet.

As for the sparring, the young lady could have stopped her attacked if she knew about the danger of your raised knee? I hope the young lady comes back with the lesson learned and adds it to her list and continues to spar and learn.


Just my thoughts and opnions, take them for what you want.

 

[Jill666]

It was an accident. You are bigger, and she got hurt more than expected. It happens- it has happened to me. Don't feel bad, you didn't intend injury, and as for her crying- well, I don't have a lot of patience for that. The last time I teared up was because I got hit in the nose (also an accident) and I couldn't help it.

You are nice to be concerned, but if the sensei wanted to stop the match so she should get her breath, ideally he could have found you another opponent or just had you both bow out. You did nothing worng.

 

[jazkiljok]

Originally posted by SRyuFighter
... And she takes a step back and starts crying. I just kind of stand there stunned until my sensei walks over to me and asks what happened. I tell him what happened and he makes me bow out and go sit down. Was I am in the wrong to knee her so hard, or should she just learn to take it? Any and all thoughts are appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Chad

Come in with Flowers, a nice card--- and always bring a hankerchief to school for these types of emergencies... tears? always works on the good guys

peace

 

[SRyuFighter]

Thanks, I actually tried the flower thing a nd now were going out on Friday. Haha, it's funny how things work out thanks for all the helpful comments.

Chad

 

[Erkki]

Originally posted by SRyuFighter
Thanks, I actually tried the flower thing a nd now were going out on Friday. Haha, it's funny how things work out thanks for all the helpful comments.

Chad

:rofl: Hahaha!!! That's smooth!! You're my new hero.

 

[SRyuFighter]

Originally posted by Erkki
:rofl: Hahaha!!! That's smooth!! You're my new hero.

Thanks!

 

[Jill666]

Consolation guy gets rewarded!

Well, have fun.

 

[Cruentus]

And see, it worked! Now you guys are goin' out!

Sorry, I was trying to think of the most sexist thing I could come up with. How'd I do?

:rofl: I'm only kidding!

On a serious note, I had something like that happend to me when I was 15 years old....

It was a grappling class that was integrated into the TKD and kickboxing program at the school I was affiliated with. I was partnered up with a girl that was over twice my age (about 32), but I still outweighed her (even if it was only by about 20 lbs.), outranked her, and out-strengthed her. Anyways, she really came after me. She would tie up with me and try to toss me around, concentrating her strength up top. I was going as easy as I could. Keep in mind, I also had middle school and high school wrestling experience. I had held her off, and let her attempt to try to push me around from up-top. About 30 seconds into it I decided to take her down, because she wasn't getting anywhere with me up top. When she came foward to tie up again, I shot at her lead leg, spun, and I was behind her in what wrestlers call a "high-crotch" position (if you can picture this, this is where I am on one knee behind her with my shoulders in line with the back of her thigh, my head to the right of her hips, and my right arm around her right leg, and my left arm coming from between the legs, and lying across the inside left thigh).

Now, as pornographic as that all sounds ( ), the attempt was to drive my shoulder foward into her thigh/hip, while stopping the knees, so she would be forced to fall foward. From there, you can work whatever you want (armbars, ankle locks, chokes, etc.) This is all supposed to happend within a split second. What instead heppends is she panics, and her upper-body attempts to follow me, while her legs stayed immobile. needless to say, her lead leg then slipped, and next thing I knew she was on the floor crying before I could even finish the move.

The difference was that in this case, she had to go be rushed to emergancy to have the ligaments in her knee repaired, and her tendon re-attatched.

I felt SOOOOOOOO bad! The truth is, I love fighting, but I hate hurting people, especially women. That was why I always hated partnering with women for sparring, and such. I was very upset. I was able to talk to her afterwards, though, and she assured me that it wasn't my fault. She understood that in any martial discipline there is a risk of injury. This risk is elavated if you choose to participate in sparring, or submission grappling. Luckily, she said, injuries heal. The point is, we can waste our time blaming the other person, or ourselves even for an ACCIDENT, or we can try to learn something from the experience. If we choose to learn, then we choose to grow. And if we grow, then we have accomplished why we took the martial discipline in the first place. Well, I think she was right.

And where ever she is today, that is the attitude of a strong and capeable woman, one who knows how to take control of her life, perservere, and not be a victim no matter what happends. I think that her story represents a good example to follow for everyone.

:asian:

P.S. I was 15 when that happend, and it just hit me that was 10 years ago! I think I am going to drink myself silly, and cry at the same time. :drink2tha :wah: I'm old as s**t

 

[Cruentus]

As old as I am, I still don't know when to shut up! I write the longest posts in the world. My goodness! I started talking early when I was a baby...and it just never stops!

:cuss:

 

[Jill666]

Originally posted by PAUL
I write the longest posts in the world.

Yes, yes you do.

BTW, enough with the old stuff. by the time you're my age, I will be on the WRONG side of fourty. Ugh. Of course, there are some who have gray hairs older than me here