'Okinawan Karate'

Discussion in 'The Great Debate' started by Zenjael, Apr 4, 2012.

  1. Bob Hubbard

    Bob Hubbard Retired

    • MartialTalk Mentor
    • Founding Member
    • LifeTime Supporting Member
    • Martial Talk Alumni
    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2001
    Messages:
    47,249
    Likes Received:
    767
    Trophy Points:
    248
    Location:
    Land of the Free
    It's never a waste to reply, as others also welcome solid information.
     
  2. Brian King

    Brian King Master of Arts

    • Supporting Member
    • MartialTalk Mentor
    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2003
    Messages:
    1,580
    Likes Received:
    450
    Trophy Points:
    123
    Location:
    Bellevue, Washington USA
    Dancingalone wrote:
    The time is yours to either waste or gain. I guess it depends on why you originally posted and how you define success. If a person posts to change the opinion (sooo tempting to write opine...sigh) of the person they are replying to, and considers success only if that person immediately changes course and opinion, then yes time and effort are often wasted. But, if a person chooses to reply to a thread with the intention to share good information, as a chance to explore their own opinion (twice resisted, getting stronger), a chance to draw out and explore others opinions (thrice and still stronger), an opportunity to plant a seed, and or just an opportunity to practice crafting a reply and practice and strengthen their own communication skills, then is the time taken to reply ever wasted? It all depends on intent and definition of success, at least that is my opine. (sigh, so weak)

    Regards
    Brian King
     
  3. dancingalone

    dancingalone Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2007
    Messages:
    5,276
    Likes Received:
    215
    Trophy Points:
    188
    It would have been more fun to write 'neener, neener'. :)
     
  4. Bill Mattocks

    Bill Mattocks Sr. Grandmaster

    • Martial Talk Alumni
    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2009
    Messages:
    14,587
    Likes Received:
    2,596
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Michigan
    I try to stick with the classics myself.
     
  5. punisher73

    punisher73 Senior Master

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2004
    Messages:
    3,574
    Likes Received:
    616
    Trophy Points:
    248
    In the latest issue of Classical Fighting Arts, they were discussing their Rengokai trips to Okinawa and made mention that Isshin-Ryu was recently recognized as an official style of Okinawan karate under the leadership of Tsuyoshi Uechi.

    So, the offical styles recognized as Okinawan Karate are.

    Shorin-Ryu
    Goju-Ryu
    Uechi-Ryu
    Isshin-Ryu

    Up until this point, Isshin-Ryu was recognized as a subset of Shorin-Ryu
     
  6. miguksaram

    miguksaram Master of Arts

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2008
    Messages:
    1,971
    Likes Received:
    32
    Trophy Points:
    108
    Location:
    Aurora, IL
    I really did not want to go through each individual sentence you wrote so I chose this as a general spot of your wrongfulness. Do yourself a favor and never...and I do mean never, speak on the topic Korean TKD history again. I cannot even begin to explain how wrong you are. If there was a planet of right people you would 70 solar systems and at least 3 alternate universes away from that planet.

    I honestly cannot tell if your ignorance is just that great or if you are just an awesome troll drawing me into your world with each chalkboard scrapping sentence you write. Please for the love of humanity do some real research before you post.
     
  7. SahBumNimRush

    SahBumNimRush Master of Arts

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2009
    Messages:
    1,704
    Likes Received:
    65
    Trophy Points:
    73
    Location:
    USA
    hahahahaha!

    +1!
     
  8. Josh Oakley

    Josh Oakley Senior Master

    • Supporting Member
    • MartialTalk Mentor
    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2006
    Messages:
    2,225
    Likes Received:
    56
    Trophy Points:
    108
    Location:
    Federal Way, WA
    Yes. He's wrong. No, this isn't the way to go about it. Polite discussion applies to Zenjael too.

    Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2
     
  9. Tez3

    Tez3 Sr. Grandmaster

    • Supporting Member
    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2006
    Messages:
    27,109
    Likes Received:
    4,491
    Trophy Points:
    308
    Location:
    England
    Ian would be a bit miffed K Man, he's a Wado Ryu guy not Shotokan! I've done a few seminars with him now and he is brilliant. Go across to his website and join us on his forum ( cheeky advertising lol)
    http://iainabernethy.co.uk/
     
  10. K-man

    K-man Grandmaster

    • MartialTalk Mentor
    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2008
    Messages:
    6,193
    Likes Received:
    1,221
    Trophy Points:
    248
    Location:
    Australia
    OMG!! Nooo!

    This guy is one of the most inspirational men in the martial arts and I was sure he was Shotokan. Even his kata looks like Shotokan. I suppose I might be forgiven seeing that Wado Ryu has roots in Shotokan. All his books talk about Funakoshi and I think I must have just assumed he was Shotokan.

    Oh! I am so sorry! Iain, please forgive me. { .. grovel .. }

    My shame is too much to bear. :seppuku:

    (actually I am on his forum, just haven't visited for a while.)
     
  11. Tez3

    Tez3 Sr. Grandmaster

    • Supporting Member
    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2006
    Messages:
    27,109
    Likes Received:
    4,491
    Trophy Points:
    308
    Location:
    England

    ROFLMAO! The katas are so similiar that they are the same in many cases, there's taletell differences though, Wado has less deep stances and certain moves like knife hands and 'rising' blocks are more upright.

    In reference to this thread though, Iain is an inspiration, he is also a Judoka but never instructs or talks about anything he doesn't understand or has worked out for himself, he doesn't boast of doing a dozen martial arts and is actually always pleased if he can learn something from someone, he's very funny too, he has a way of engaging with people so you don't feel stupid when you can't do a technique he'll suggest another way for you to do it. He's very much a down to earth guy. The OP would do very well to sit at Iain's feet metaphorically at least if not in person and learn a thing or two.
     
  12. miguksaram

    miguksaram Master of Arts

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2008
    Messages:
    1,971
    Likes Received:
    32
    Trophy Points:
    108
    Location:
    Aurora, IL
    I understand what you are saying, but there is wrong and then there is "Please put down the crack pipe" wrong. I have had 8 year olds give me a better Korean TKD history report than this. The information is out there but there was obviously no research done on his behalf. Sorry but after reading several of his threads, his post rings of trolling.
     
  13. seasoned

    seasoned MT Senior Moderator Staff Member

    • LifeTime Supporting Member
    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2007
    Messages:
    10,687
    Likes Received:
    676
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Somewhere out there
    And here lies the most important part. On a public forum you are never talking to one poster. As soon as it becomes just you and them, then you have a bunch of spectators waiting to see what you or they will say next. Just a little side note, carry on.................123
     

Share This Page