MMA vs TaiChi

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Talk' started by Hanzou, May 9, 2017.

  1. Hanzou

    Hanzou Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2013
    Messages:
    5,928
    Likes Received:
    868
    Trophy Points:
    263
    My question to you as a practivioner of CMA; Given the media attention this is getting, what do you think happens to TCMAs if this guy keeps beating self proclaimed masters of Kung Fu? Do you think this could have any lingering long term effects?
     
  2. oaktree

    oaktree Master of Arts

    Joined:
    May 19, 2010
    Messages:
    1,683
    Likes Received:
    264
    Trophy Points:
    123
    Location:
    Under an Oaktree
    He wasn't a good representative of taijiquan, as in Chen taijiquan we would clinch and then throw if rushed like that. Chen taijiquan is very big on wrestling.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  3. oaktree

    oaktree Master of Arts

    Joined:
    May 19, 2010
    Messages:
    1,683
    Likes Received:
    264
    Trophy Points:
    123
    Location:
    Under an Oaktree
    His footwork moved first back then at an angle causing his fall but is it possible the punch also made him fall sure why not or visa versa point is we see this same type in mma ring fights which the OP doesn't seem to point out. So then it goes back to OK if this happens in pro fights people slipping or getting punched like this does that mean a.pro fighters suck b.this guy is good or c. The better regardless of style fighter won.
    The taijiquan community really doesn't give a **** about this and five years no one else will give a **** about it either.
     
  4. oaktree

    oaktree Master of Arts

    Joined:
    May 19, 2010
    Messages:
    1,683
    Likes Received:
    264
    Trophy Points:
    123
    Location:
    Under an Oaktree
    No effect at all fanboy
     
  5. Kung Fu Wang

    Kung Fu Wang Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2012
    Messages:
    9,744
    Likes Received:
    2,444
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Austin, Tx/Shell Beach, Ca
    As a CMA guy, my answer will be it's important for any CMA guy to develop

    1. entering strategy - Can you move in fast enough without been hit?
    2. finish strategy - Can you knock/take your opponent down fast?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  6. Headhunter

    Headhunter Senior Master

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2016
    Messages:
    4,765
    Likes Received:
    1,583
    Trophy Points:
    303
    No one gives a **** about it now apart from the op. similiar things were said in 73 that Kung fu was so superior and other traditional arts will die out. It was said again 93 with nonsense like oh karate will soon be extinct now or no one will bother to train striking anymore but guess what karates still going just as strong as ever. Silly little matches being made by some spoiled rich kid in china will make 0 difference to anything. Simply no one cares. The people training in Chinese martial arts will continue to do so and people who are interested in them will still join. Quite honestly I bet barely anyone's even heard about this nonsense in the non martial art world
     
    • Like Like x 3
  7. ShortBridge

    ShortBridge 2nd Black Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2015
    Messages:
    893
    Likes Received:
    610
    Trophy Points:
    273
    Location:
    Seattle, WA, USA
    Missed most of the discussion, but just watched the original video.

    Close one, could have gone either way. I thought he had him there for a moment.
     
  8. JowGaWolf

    JowGaWolf Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2015
    Messages:
    9,101
    Likes Received:
    2,853
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Oh it's going to have a really big effect. For me it's going to make it more difficult for me to attract people who are interested in martial arts. On the good side, it's going to clean house for CMAs in the long run. I think the more fake CMA masters give bad impressions the more likely the real CMA practitioners who train with a fighting focus will start to appear.

    I'm even starting to see more Jow Ga schools showcase their sparring and fighting abilities. Some schools have always done so but others have stayed in the dark. With things like this I think the Jow Ga schools don't want to be lumped in. Things like this is becoming more common in terms of Jow Ga practitioners trying to show that what we do is the real thing.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  9. oaktree

    oaktree Master of Arts

    Joined:
    May 19, 2010
    Messages:
    1,683
    Likes Received:
    264
    Trophy Points:
    123
    Location:
    Under an Oaktree
    That is true. I really don't think to many people really give a **** about this in China as well.
     
  10. Headhunter

    Headhunter Senior Master

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2016
    Messages:
    4,765
    Likes Received:
    1,583
    Trophy Points:
    303
    Of course they don't. The only ones who actually care are the mma fanboys who want to rub it in other people's faces about how great mma is and yeah sure mmas good but it's not the be all and end all either. Arts like tai chi and Kung fu or whatever have been around thousands of years and still going strong even with all the advanced knowledge of martial arts. Why can't both just exist and people be happy with that. Would people like the op rather all other martial arts die out and then there's only mma left and that means less and less would train martial arts because a lot of people who train different styles simply don't want to do that kind of thing.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  11. oaktree

    oaktree Master of Arts

    Joined:
    May 19, 2010
    Messages:
    1,683
    Likes Received:
    264
    Trophy Points:
    123
    Location:
    Under an Oaktree
    I personally like students who don't think Taijiquan is good for self defense, I think most Taijiquan people are happy that people think Taijiquan is just some dance devoid of martial arts.
    Most people do not even know this side of Taijiquan is possible

     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  12. Kung Fu Wang

    Kung Fu Wang Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2012
    Messages:
    9,744
    Likes Received:
    2,444
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Austin, Tx/Shell Beach, Ca
    The MMA guy understood the "run down" strategy very well.

    If you

    - kick me, I'll run you down,
    - punch me, I'll run you down,
    - do nothing, I'll still run you down.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  13. JowGaWolf

    JowGaWolf Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2015
    Messages:
    9,101
    Likes Received:
    2,853
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Backpedaling for more than a couple of steps is just bad footwork and when people do it, they usually fall down or get hit with something that easily knocks them down because their feet were in the worse possible position to resist the imbalance caused by the punch. Wing practitioners often knock their opponents over when their opponent starts backpedals longer than they should.

    The taijiquan community that only practices for health purposes won't care, as they never claim to be dangerous or skilled fighters. They let you know right from the start that they don't train to fight. Communities like that won't ever be hurt by videos like this. The ones who will be hurt are those who market their martial arts as a form of self-defense. Why would a student learn self-defense from a person who did such a poor job in defending himself?

    If you teach Taijiquan just for health benefits then fighting videos have nothing to do with how you train. People still talk about Gracie and the early days of UFC 1. In the Jow Ga communities people still talk about about how the founder won a contest of 100 fighters. Things like the video will be around longer than you think, because there will always be an MMA fan boy who is more than happy to remind you of it.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  14. JowGaWolf

    JowGaWolf Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2015
    Messages:
    9,101
    Likes Received:
    2,853
    Trophy Points:
    263
    A very valid and realistic observation about Taijiquan. Even to day I hear people including Chinese refer to it as "the thing old people do."

    I actually had more injuries in Tai Chi sparring than in Jow Ga sparring. My sparring partners enjoyed attacking the elbows. For a while I though my elbows were permanently damaged from the abuse that they took.
     
    Last edited: May 9, 2017
  15. JowGaWolf

    JowGaWolf Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2015
    Messages:
    9,101
    Likes Received:
    2,853
    Trophy Points:
    263
    The MMA guy understood who he was facing had no clue what he was doing and he took advantage of that.
     
  16. Kung Fu Wang

    Kung Fu Wang Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2012
    Messages:
    9,744
    Likes Received:
    2,444
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Austin, Tx/Shell Beach, Ca
    The first day that I started my Taiji class in Austin Community College, I started with

    - horse stance,
    - bow-arrow stance,
    - striking tiger stance,
    - golden rooster stance,
    - 7 star stance,
    - stealing step stance,
    - 40-60 stance,

    Those stances that will be used in the 108 moves Chang Taiji form later on. When I explained those stances, one guy stood up, said, "This is not Taiji". He then left. I had never seen him since then.

    In

    - ball room dancing, you start from fox step, box step, ... In ball room dancing, you may not need to switch your steps.
    - Taiji training, you start from horse stance, bow-arrow stance, ... In Taiji training, you do need to be able to shift from one stance into another.

    Even today, I still don't know why that guy didn't give me a chance to show him all the stances that will be used in the Taiji system. I can only say, "Taiji guys are weird."
     
  17. oaktree

    oaktree Master of Arts

    Joined:
    May 19, 2010
    Messages:
    1,683
    Likes Received:
    264
    Trophy Points:
    123
    Location:
    Under an Oaktree
    My first class was the first 3 steps in Chen Laojia
     
  18. Hanzou

    Hanzou Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2013
    Messages:
    5,928
    Likes Received:
    868
    Trophy Points:
    263
    We've already seen this.

    Here's what happens when they go up against a competent grappler;



    That form of grappling is simply lacking compared to where grappling currently is within the sphere of modern submission grappling.
     
  19. CB Jones

    CB Jones Senior Master

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2017
    Messages:
    3,784
    Likes Received:
    1,787
    Trophy Points:
    303
    Location:
    Saline
    No disrespect

    but the throws at 48 seconds and 1.18 looked fake to me. Big guy just intentionally goes down. Is that just me?

    FWIW the the throws in the 1st video looked more real.
     
  20. CB Jones

    CB Jones Senior Master

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2017
    Messages:
    3,784
    Likes Received:
    1,787
    Trophy Points:
    303
    Location:
    Saline

    What does a video of one of the top grapplers in a grappling only training session prove?123
     

Share This Page

Search tags for this page

mma isnt real