Because of their frequent defeats in the early years of MMA especially in the first UFC tournament and because they failed to get much representation up until recently, traditional martial arts are now frequently bashed for creating ineffective fighting and using BS training and methods. In particular most schools of karate, Tae Kwon Do, and Kung Fu gets the most hack for this. However I'm watching the documentary TV series Human Weapon...... I am lovely shocked by how some of these traditional styles frequently criticized in the current martial arts climate have HARDCORE TRAINING in their highest quality school. The Tae Kwon Do episode had medium level practitioners smashing through stacks of hard floor tiles with one open hand strike, the karate episode shown incredible jumping and acrobatic training, the kung fu episodes shown stuff like carrying heavy objects while brisk walking, and the Ninjitsu Episode showed walking across wooden poles on a a pond and climbing buildings. In addition some of the showcased techniques are lovely insane and can literally break someone's ribs or smashed a skull cracked open if done correctly. At least KO an opponent VERY FAST. In addition all the fighters were muscular as hell, at worst skinny with no fat on their body and the strongest people can pass off for lighter classes of bodybuilders or looked like powerlifters. So I am curious. When the first UFC was taking place, most of the traditional martial artists came from the quite dumbed down Western schools that did focused mainly on forms and light sparring and did not do much physical conditioning (most even lacked basic light 10 lbs dumbells). The traditional martial artists shown were often extremely out of shape being skinny and frail looking and obese. In addition even the execution their kicks and punches were pretty sloppy looking even by the low standards of UFC at the time. So much of the traditional martial arts were beaten within seconds and for the next UFC tournaments, the pattern would repeat until the late 90s and early 2000s when Western traditional martial artists began not only to incorporate other styles but even actually take their strictly traditional martial arts training seriously that they actually hit heavy bags and do live sparring rather than the kata based and points sparring so common in Western TMA schools. Now at least some techniques of TKD, Karate, and even Chinese styles have proven effective enough that fighters have made them standard arsenal in MMA. However as I said the Human Weapon series shows a lot of the old school traditional martial arts schools back in Asia have some very hardass training. Further personal research I doneshows that while the average practitioners spar with limitations (such as no punches to the head in Kyokushin training), in dojo vs dojo and style vs style bouts all bets are off and high ranking students and senseis pretty much fight no holds barred like MMA, in some cases even removing MMA's limitations and allowing stomping opponents on the ground, etc. Hell in Asia's own local MMA organizations and tournaments, they have traditional martial artists fighting quite full contact and realistically to UFC standards in an MMA style match decades before UFC came! While its not strictly MMA, Muhammad Ali had to forfeit a mockup match in a shootboxing rules because his opponent was doing serious damage to his legs with kicks. So I am curious why from the 90s up until the 2010s, the traditional martial artists (who did not mix in boxing and other styles) that represented Asian styles in UFC were often mediocre quality or worse? Why didn't we get guy as strong and well trained as Mas Oyama or Korean tae kwon do practitioners who's served in Korean special forces? I still think they would lose due to the rules but at least they're a proper representation of traditional martial arts in a so-called "ultimate fighting championship" style tournament rather than the terrible practitioners we got in the West! I mean since the Gracies had the means to, why couldn't they invite fighters directly from Japan, Korea, China, etc to get the cream of the crop in the first UFC? In addition I notice Tae Kwon Do and Kung Fu suffered the worst criticism and for a while back karate did too. At least TKD is now getting more respect thanks to George St-Pierre and other fighters who specialized or started with TKD now having good performances in UFC. Karate already got skilled practitioners who won belts after learning to incorporate boxing and other styles in. However Kung Fu still suffers from this stigma badly. How come these three styles were the most popular to attack especially during the 90s (and today Kung Fu still gets so much criticism)?