Drill 1 step 1 punch 1000 times

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  1. Flying Crane

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    I’ve done high rep sessions, doing a couple different types of punches 1000 times each. I tend to do them in segments.

    The thing is, high repetition needs to be balanced against fatigue. As you tire, your technique begins to deteriorate. Eventually it is just poor and sloppy technique and that is not good training.

    So I don’t advise doing all the reps together. Break it up, switch it around, do things to manage the fatigue issue so the quality of your efforts remains high. Sure, push the limits on endurance but not to the point where it is just sloppy.
     
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    Ah, now I get it. Thanks, bro.
     
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    I'm going to drill 1000 punches non-stop and see how long that will take (after my lunch has been digested). Since I have to coordinate my punch with my breathing, I assume it will be like slow jogging instead of fast springing.
     
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    Some study said that when you walk 8 miles, in the 1st 4 miles, your body starts to detect your problem. In the 2nd 4 miles, your body start to fix your problem. I strongly believe in that.

    I like to wrestle for 15 rounds non-stop. In the last 5 rounds, I don't have any "brute force" left on my body.

    I'm not sure to do them in segments can have the same result or not.
     
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    I like his Pi Chuan better.

     
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    Hai Yang is in Montreal and very good at Xingyiquan.
     
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    I just did XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times in 42 minutes before I sat back down on my computer. I did 100 punches and turned around. I made 5 loops total (1 loop = 200 punches). After this I'm not even breath hard. I think I can still repeat another 1000 punches without any problem.

    I think I'll replace my 3 miles running by 1000 punches from now on. I will try 1000 foot sweeps as well. Not sure 1000 kicks can be good for my knee joint.

    After my senior SC brother had heart attack last Christmas (also after my 70 years old birthday), I start to pay more attention on health than just fighting.
     
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    Ah wow, much respect.. would love to devote a certain period to training like that!


    Ah wow.. Yeah there are some hard styles out there...

    There's something about running hey... when you get in the 'zone' and

    Love it... I've devoted whole sessions to a single kata before, it's great fun, and just working on different ways to train it and different aspects to focus on (focus exclusively on breathing rhythms, soft/hard balance, stances, posture..)

    Am getting some great ideas from this thread! Would be great to just shadowspar for a set distance, but would be quite tiring I'd imagine..

    That's awesome.. it's such an important thing to work on. So I'm not sure if the breathing is different here compared to what I'm used to, is it exhaling out with the technique, and inhaling during the step forward? I'd love to do a drill like this within a karate technique context, we usually breathe out with the technique which is pretty standard in most places I'd think, and breathing in just comes before it at some stage

    Ah much respect, here we are talking about it and you just go ahead and do it, nice! Wow I honestly thought it would take so much longer than 42 minutes!


    I know I quoted 7 times... Surely that's illegal. I'M SORRY!
     
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    42 minutes = 42 x 60 = 2520 second. 2520 second / 1000 = 2.5 second.

    It takes 2.5 second to repeat 1 punching drill while coordinate with breathing is about right.
     
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    Let me know at what number your quality has become sloppy. I’ll guess it could be around 300 if you’ve been practicing a lot. Otherwise it could be much less.
     
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    Here is my personal experience today (about 3 hours ago). The more that I punched, the better that I felt. My last 300 punches were even better than my first 300 punches. My body just did it automatically without thinking. At the end of 1000 punches, my body had more energy than before I started the drill. It was a good feeling. As I have said, I think I can drill 2000 punches non-stop without any problem. I had done my punching drill on the beach for 1 miles. That's more than 2000 punches.

    1 miles = 1609 meter
    2 punches per meter, 1609 x 2 = 3218 punches.

    It may only works for punches. Not sure it will work for kicks. IMO, a kick will take 3 times more energy than a punch will take.
     
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    I don't think I've developed my arm joints to withstand that many punches. The more I think about it, the more I doubt my shoulders would come out okay, and the more certain I am I'd end up with tendinitis in my arms (if I didn't have it already, that is). Perhaps if I'd done more of this along the way, I'd not be going through the joint issues in my arms today.

    Or maybe my elbow and shoulder joints are just as crappy as my knee and ankle joints.
     
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    There is difference between fast spring (for speed) and slow jogging (for endurance). I believe 1000 punches is like slow jogging.

    There is also different between a punch that you can

    - see the power, and
    - don't see the power.

    Some people may call that external punch vs. internal punch. Since I'm allergy to the term "internal", I prefer to call that you punch when you

    - think about power, and
    - don't think about power.

    When you don't think about power and just let your body to do it, it will take less energy. May be the following 2 similar punches do take different amount of energy.



     
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    Pick something and do it, that is what I did. Got the idea from Sensei Ando's website.
     
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    If you drill "1 step 3 punches" 1000 times, you may hurt your arm joints. But if you drill "1 step 1 punch", since your body is pushing your arm, it will put less pressure on your arm joints. In other words, to drill "1 step 1 punch" can be like to put your arms behind your back and just use your body to punch. I think there is a big difference there.
     
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    If you do this right, it should heal your shoulder.
     
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    The idea, with what I did was to make sure all were correct. In the beginning it is easy to let things slide, especially if you are getting tired or in a hurry. But by day 7 I'd would have worked to getting most, if not all correct.

    I imagine if you extend that out to 1000 it is a similar thing, but you have to pay close attention and not let yourself slide on anything. In the beginning many will be sloppy, but as you work with it the goal "should be" to get most or all correct.
     
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    The XingYi dragon is similar to the XingYi Pi Chuan. It just adds into an extra kick. I'll try to drill XingYi dragon 1000 times non-stop. But I can expect it can be much more difficult just because that extra kick. Will it be a good idea to kick 1000 times non-stop? It may not be good for my knee joint.

    XingYi Pi Chuan:



    XingYi dragon:

     
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    I realize I quoted you and answered this before but I was reading "Philosophy of Martial Arts" from Shen Wu and this paragraph is very applicable to this type of training

    Philosophy of Martial Arts

     
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    Beng quan turn is very similar to the dragon kick123
     

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