Originally posted by lucifersdad
i think most people (myself included) start training and keep training in an art for completely differant reasons,
i started wado ryu karate because i saw a demo and thought it looked good, i kept training because i relised the jump spinning kicks i saw in the demo arnt part of the wado syllabus because i was taught other new and interesting ways to break people! and no style is perfect and has all the answers thats why we all use the 2 magic words "cross training",
dont you agree?
Actually I do not.
I think all styles are either practiced/taught correctly or have gotten screwed up along the way by some person(s).
I think there are no imperfect styles only imperfect practitioners of that style.
This was posted by myself on the thread below.
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=111019#post111019
I trained in other arts not to become ranked in them but to try and understand how to use my art (Karate) against them.
It was interesting as well as helpful.
I recommend exposing yourself to other arts not necessarily to master them but to prepare yourself against them.
“Know yourself and your enemy and in 100 battles you will be victorious”
Most arts have enough techniques to do a good job of defending yourself itÂ’s just some arts donÂ’t always practice the way they were originally done.
Aikido for example has strikes and yet I have only seen one dojo actually practice them.
Karate has grappling type techniques but hardly anybody in the West knew/practiced them up until the mid 1980Â’s.
Originally posted by Disco
Please forgive my ignorance on the modern state of the Martial Arts. I'm from the dark ages of the early 60's. I was of the assumption that there were only 2 original styles of karate from Okinawa (Shuri-te and Naha-te) and 3 ryu's (Goju, Shorin and Isshin). Where and when did all these other named styles come from. I have never heard of many of them. Did they originate after WWII when the rest of the world received general knowledge of karate or are they offshoots created by the general explosion of the arts during the 70's? I figured if anybody could answer these questions it would be you. Thanks in advance for any information you can forward.:asian:
There are several schools of thought on this subject.
One school thinks that each kata was itÂ’s own style. Choki Motobu and several others were firm believers in this idea and I have to admit I am too.
For example:
Passai, Kusanku, Niseishi etc were all their own styles.
Many years (100+ years) ago a teacher only knew one maybe two kata.
The second school of thought believes there were originally 3 schools.
Naha, Tomari, and Shuri.
I donÂ’t think this is really accurate for several reasons.
It is known that most people only knew one or two kata and Nahate, Tomarite, and Shurite actually contain several kata belonging to each group which would mean that people from those areas knew more than one or more like 5~10 kata. This Nahate, Tomarite, and Shurite distinction also didnÂ’t come about until about the early 1920Â’s.
It is my belief that Nahate, Tomarite, and Shurite were more than like politaclly motivated names rather than by the actually types of kata practiced there in.
People claim Nahata is more suited to people of a heavier build and Shurite for people of a lighter build.
To me that sounds ridiculous. Does that mean if I am a person of large build I have to go to Naha to learn Karate that will work for me or the opposite if I am a slight build?
Also since “real” techniques works on anyone regardless of size it shouldn’t matter.
The whole Nahate, Tomarite, and Shurite controversy reminds of the BBQ rivalries in the US where one state claims to have a more “superior” BBQ than the other.
(Side note: Naha and Shuri are so closed together you canÂ’t tell when you have left one and entered the other. Years ago they were more distinctly separated but they were still no more than a mile or two from each other. Okinawa is only 67 miles long and 7 miles wide.)
People also make the erroneous claim that Uechi & Goju are Nahate karate but in fact they are not. They both came from China. Also of note is the Goju practiced/taught by Miyagi Chojun was not the same as practiced by Kiyoda Juhatsu and Higaonna Kanryo.
I have yet to hear of a style that doesnÂ’t have at least one kata from two or more of the so-called Nahate, Tomarite, and Shurite lines.
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He is an excellent practitioner of Shuri.
