Why some people still don't want to wear mask?

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If a place of business asks me to where a mask...I put one on....other than that I do not where one because I do not like them.
 

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Just the other day, Fauci changed his mind again and said masks weren't very effective and that we should all be wearing full face shields. Who here is going to get one?
I will need a source for that because last night he was still saying to wear masks.
Source: CNN Masks would help prevent a surge in coronavirus deaths by the New Year, Fauci says

"Masks would help prevent a surge in coronavirus deaths by the New Year, Fauci says
From CNN's Jen Christensen

Correct use of masks would help the country prevent the “scary” number of predicted Covid-19 deaths, Dr. Anthony Fauci told CNN today."

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If a place of business asks me to where a mask...I put one on....other than that I do not where one because I do not like them.
Just getting some clarification here. So if a business doesn't ask you to wear one, then you don't wear one?
 

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I will need a source for that because last night he was still saying to wear masks.
Source: CNN Masks would help prevent a surge in coronavirus deaths by the New Year, Fauci says

"Masks would help prevent a surge in coronavirus deaths by the New Year, Fauci says
From CNN's Jen Christensen

Correct use of masks would help the country prevent the “scary” number of predicted Covid-19 deaths, Dr. Anthony Fauci told CNN today."

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I took his comments as "consider wearing a face shield in addition to your mask" instead of "stop wearing your mask." Masks are better at catching droplets you're expelling, so an asymptomatic person doesn't infect other people. Face shields are better at protecting you from droplets floating in the air. For people who work in higher-risk environments, both is definitely a good option.

My wife works at an elementary school. Right now it's online-only, but if they transition to in-person later this year, she'll definitely be wearing both.
 

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Scott W. Atlas, this is the presidents number one advicer on covid.
He wants us to do the Sweden model which has a higher dead rate per million people than the U.S.
Watch fox news and see his plan.
 

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Did you go to moives in the 70's.
i did, but theres an aeful lot of $$$$ i didnt see, even back then i was discerning, i wouldnt go and watch star wars and ive not seen it since, not that in to childtens films, even when i was one.

we had a local flix that didnt care much about the film classification system, so a lot of porn and violence was watched
 

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Scott W. Atlas, this is the presidents number one advicer on covid.
He wants us to do the Sweden model which has a higher dead rate per million people than the U.S.
Watch fox news and see his plan.

Well Sweden acknowledged they should have done a better job of isolating the elderly and people with preexisting conditions and have corrected that.

Their deaths were within the first couple months and have steadily fallen to almost none currently. Throughout this ordeal, they have had less than 10,000 deaths.

They also did not have the economic fallout.
 

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Well Sweden acknowledged they should have done a better job of isolating the elderly and people with preexisting conditions and have corrected that.

Their deaths were within the first couple months and have steadily fallen to almost none currently. Throughout this ordeal, they have had less than 10,000 deaths.

They also did not have the economic fallout.
The economic fallout in Sweden is better than some European countries, but similar to Norway and Denmark. The difference being that Norway and Denmark didn't sacrifice their sick and elderly.

Point being that the economy has less to do with herd immunity strategy than Scandinavian economic characteristics.
 

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The economic fallout in Sweden is better than some European countries, but similar to Norway and Denmark. The difference being that Norway and Denmark didn't sacrifice their sick and elderly.

Point being that the economy has less to do with herd immunity strategy than Scandinavian economic characteristics.

And they acknowledged that at the beginning they did not take the steps needed to protect their sick and elderly. They have made corrections and now their death rates are one of the lowest over the last few months.

Just pointing that out. It was posted their death rates are higher than the US but that is largely due to mistakes made within the first month of the pandemic.
 

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Well Sweden acknowledged they should have done a better job of isolating the elderly and people with preexisting conditions and have corrected that.

Their deaths were within the first couple months and have steadily fallen to almost none currently. Throughout this ordeal, they have had less than 10,000 deaths.

They also did not have the economic fallout.[/Quote

All statements above are true.
True, Sweden death total is 5, 835, that is less than 10,000. Total population 10,110,577.
True, They also did not have the economic fallout, because they did very little to stop the spread of the virus.

U.S is number 10 in the world for deaths per million, 588. in other words there are over 200 countries doing better than us.
Sweden is number 11 in the world for deaths per million, 581. Total deaths 5,835 in country with 10,110,577 total population.
Tiawan is 187 in the world for deaths per million, 0.3. Total deaths 7 in country with 23,824,604 total population. Twice the population of Sweden.

Looking at the numbers I prefer the Tiawan Model.
 

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All statements above are true.
True, Sweden death total is 5, 835, that is less than 10,000. Total population 10,110,577.
True, They also did not have the economic fallout, because they did very little to stop the spread of the virus.

U.S is number 10 in the world for deaths per million, 588. in other words there are over 200 countries doing better than us.
Sweden is number 11 in the world for deaths per million, 581. Total deaths 5,835 in country with 10,110,577 total population.
Tiawan is 187 in the world for deaths per million, 0.3. Total deaths 7 in country with 23,824,604 total population. Twice the population of Sweden.

Looking at the numbers I prefer the Tiawan Model.
 

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All statements above are true.
True, Sweden death total is 5, 835, that is less than 10,000. Total population 10,110,577.
True, They also did not have the economic fallout, because they did very little to stop the spread of the virus.

U.S is number 10 in the world for deaths per million, 588. in other words there are over 200 countries doing better than us.
Sweden is number 11 in the world for deaths per million, 581. Total deaths 5,835 in country with 10,110,577 total population.
Tiawan is 187 in the world for deaths per million, 0.3. Total deaths 7 in country with 23,824,604 total population. Twice the population of Sweden.

Looking at the numbers I prefer the Tiawan Model.
you will also find a,strong correlation between the number of deaths per miklion and the number of elderly per million,

so your not comparing apples with apples
 

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you will also find a,strong correlation between the number of deaths per miklion and the number of elderly per million,

so your not comparing apples with apples

23,824,604 x .15= 3,573,690 people over 65

7/3.5 =2 people per million is still better than 581 people per million.
 

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I will need a source for that because last night he was still saying to wear masks.
Source: CNN Masks would help prevent a surge in coronavirus deaths by the New Year, Fauci says

"Masks would help prevent a surge in coronavirus deaths by the New Year, Fauci says
From CNN's Jen Christensen

Correct use of masks would help the country prevent the “scary” number of predicted Covid-19 deaths, Dr. Anthony Fauci told CNN today."

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ABC News. ..don't know how anybody missed it, but it was a month ago. He changes every month..in October he'll come out with something else.

Dr. Fauci: Wear goggles or eye shields to prevent spread of COVID-19; flu vaccine a must
 

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And they acknowledged that at the beginning they did not take the steps needed to protect their sick and elderly. They have made corrections and now their death rates are one of the lowest over the last few months.

Just pointing that out. It was posted their death rates are higher than the US but that is largely due to mistakes made within the first month of the pandemic.
Sure, but you also said that they did not experience the economic fallout. Based on the context of your post (whether you intended it or not), it sounded very much as though you were suggesting some kind of causal relationship between avoiding shutting down and the economy. (i.e., "Sure, more people died, but on the bright side, because they didn't shut down they didn't experience the same level of economic fallout.") However, there does NOT appear to be a causal relationship between their economic resilience and their decision to avoid shutting down, because the two neighboring countries (Denmark and Norway) did shut down, and had similar economic impact without the unneeded deaths.

Simply put, yes, they did make mistakes and people died who didn't need to. AND it doesn't appear so far that their economy benefited from it.
 
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