I stand corrected. Move after jerked, got it.howardr said:Maybe we're just talking cross-purposes, but I just can't understand what you're referring to here.
So, in Lone Kimono are you saying that you move before being pulled or jerked?! I just don't get it. How is that realistically possible? How can you be assured that you will be ready for that and capable of it any time, at a moments notice? You're not Remo Williams are you?
I mean, if you're that fast, why not just move before they've even touched you at all? Fact is, at least in the attacks that we practice, and it makes sense to me (and incidentally it's what the attacks have looked like when I've seen them applied on unwilling participants "in the real world"), a one hand lapel grab realistically applied includes a jerk simultaneous with the grab. In other words, I don't think someone will walk up to another, stop, gently place their hand upon the lapel, and then after some time has passed push or pull. I think what's more more likely is that someone will aggressively (and most likely surreptitiously; therefore, you may not be aware that it's happening until it's happening) move up to the person and aggressively grab while simultaneously jerking the person quite physically. Mutatis mutandis for the other techniques listed.
Sean