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- Jun 21, 2003
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Uh oh.. is this an indirect comment on one of my posts above? I HAD to use lingo in that post....had to!
Nope, not at all. I was talking about Kenpospeak in general. I mean, its kinda like the fancy terms that docs use to describe the simplist symptom. LOL. I think the late George Carlin did a skit on that.
sure, valid points and he has yet to respond or clarify.
I dunno. I just get a bit tired of people falling back on something else to (what seems to me anyway) "prop up" what they are doing in something else. Really, if you need to do something else to bring what you are already doing up to snuff, it just makes me think maybe for you, it would be better to just go do that other thing.
What I take from the JJ/J/MT/Boxing comment is: Kenpo lacks the ability to grapple, and we gotta have it, and kenpo lacks decent kicks, punches, elbows, and other strikes, and we need to improve those. So JJ/J. MT/ B are the answer to kenpo's problems. Sounds to me like anyone who feels this way ought to just go train in those other things and leave kenpo behind, because for them at least, kenpo doesn't work.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that decision. I made it myself. But if you practice a method, hopefully you have faith in it. If you don't have faith in it, if you feel something else is needed to fix it, then maybe you ought to re-examine what you are doing and why you are doing it, and just maybe, do something else that works better for you.
That's an interesting way of looking at it, and I agree in some ways. Some thoughts if you don't mind;
1.) Kenpo has great kicks, punches, elbows, knees and joint locks/manipulation. I never felt they needed fixing. MT/Boxing etc are not an answer to any problems kenpo has as a system but rather, a different way of utilizing similar tools - and that is just fun to explore.
2.) Mechanically, technique, structurally, Kenpo does not give anything up to the arts mentioned. In fact, I often find it to be superior. However, I look to these other arts (and FMA and Krav for that matter) not for help in punching, kicking, elbowing or for contact manipulation, but rather, for training methodology in which case I do find they have some superior training methods. At which point, I use them to augment the training in my preferred art, Paul Mills flavor of American Kenpo.
3.) I believe one can simultaneously have faith in their art, but also place it under constant "evaluation" and re-examination. Part of that proccess can be (doesn't have to be) by getting out there and training with other guys and others arts some times. For one, we spar a lot at my kenpo school. That's great, I got really good at sparring kenpo guys.
4.) Training in other arts has certainly caused me to think "this is good, I'm glad I have this perspective now" but it has also in many ways caused me to think "wow, Kenpo is really good, and I'm glad it's my base."
5.) A last note, some of us move or for scheduling reasons can't train our base art as much as we would like. For someone like me, I would rather train in something new, but proven, rather than just take a training hiatus.[/quote]
I lumped both of these together, as you're both making some great points. As I said, until we hear from the other person, its all speculation. But, to offer my .02 on the matter........
I think there are things in Kenpo that're awesome. I think there are things that arent so awesome. I dont think that BJJ is necessarily the answer anymore than I think boxing is. But, as K831 said, its just 1 possible solution. We could easily sub. BJJ for wrestling. We could sub. MT for Kyokushin. Again, as K831 said, for *my* own training/learning purposes, I enjoy looking at how other arts do things. I recall some threads on here, in which Chris Parker, talked about (and I hope I'm recalling this right ) still keeping the art the same. In other words, if we want to work with a wrestler on takedown defense, testing our stuff against them, fine, but still keep the defense Kenpo, dont turn it into a wrestling defense.
I've gone to some JKD seminars, and I'll admit, it was hard for me to adapt to how they punch and kick, but if I could take something they do, and add it to what I do, to make my stuff better, I'm all for it.
Usually, any time I talk about weapon defense, I mention the FMAs, as being the best. Why? Because they're a weapon based art. But that doesnt mean that Silat coudln't offer me or someone else, just as good a defense.
As for having faith....I have faith in alot of the stuff, and theres stuff I dont. So I do what I have to, to try to regain some of that faith.