The Difference between Longfist Kicks and Taiji Kicks

[windwalker099114 144]

@Same Trick

It is interesting...

One's practice reflects the line that practice has come from.
One of the main distinctions in my own practice is between internal and external methods.

Without accepting that distinction, it becomes rather meaningless to discuss the differences between them, there is no common basis for discussion.

 

[Same Trick59 10]

1. No head turning in step back repulse monkey.
2. Use double palm strike instead of double hook punch in twin peaks to the ear.
3. Replace Taiji cross leg by Xingyi Pi Quan with knee kick.
4. Add shin bite into hand play lute.
5. Use hook punch instead of hammer fist in striking tiger.
6. Add palm strike to the head in wide horse splitting mane.

Actually appearancewise not much of change, one could very well continue keep to the original .


You previously wrote the 6 Chang Taiji changes was in accordance with -
“1 Move your gravity center to be outside of your base.
2. Let the gravity to pull you forward.
3. You then regain your balance back.”

Even with this in mind I don’t see what the posture “changes” make much need.

However I can understand that Grandmaster Cheng wanted or even was advised to make changes so to be clearly distinkt as its own branch of Taiji not affiliated with the authentic Yang family TJQ

 

[Kung Fu Wang114 144]

One of the main distinctions in my own practice is between internal and external methods.

Without accepting that distinction, it becomes rather meaningless to discuss the differences between them, there is no common basis for discussion.

You are interested in the difference. I'm interested in the commonality.

What's the difference between:

- Karate kick vs. Taiji kick?
- Boxing hook vs praying mantis hook?
- SC hip throw and Judo hip throw?
- long fist wrist lock vs. Aikido wrist lock?

IMO, there are no difference at all.

 

[Appledog50 3]

You are interested in the difference. I'm interested in the commonality.

What's the difference between:

- Karate kick vs. Taiji kick?
- Boxing hook vs praying mantis hook?
- SC hip throw and Judo hip throw?
- long fist wrist lock vs. Aikido wrist lock?

IMO, there are no difference at all.

The difference is, a Tai Chi kick takes 10 years to master. A longfist kick takes 3 years to master.

The commonality is that if you are coming from longfist and you have a good teacher who knows how to direct your training, you can skip 3 years of training. If not, you may spend 7 years on the tai chi part and only learn how to land the kick properly in the last 3 years. A lot of people think this kind of training is backwards, it's not. Nobody can move like my sifu. The only one who came close was Wai Lun Choi.

You have to see it to understand it.

 

[Kung Fu Wang114 144]

how to land the kick properly in the last 3 years.

If you (general YOU) train kick to improve your own balance (self-cultivation), you don't need to learn how to land your kick on any object (because you don't intend to use your kick in combat anyway).

If your teacher teaches you how to kick on a solid target in your 1st year, you will learn how to land your kick properly.

If you kick on the

- knee level, you don't need to raise your knee high.
- belly level, you will need to raise your knee as high as you can. You also will understand how important the "downward curve" can be.

 

[Appledog50 3]

Is that how you would use the kick in a fight?

 

[Wing Woo Gar49 10]

You are interested in the difference. I'm interested in the commonality.

What's the difference between:

- Karate kick vs. Taiji kick?
- Boxing hook vs praying mantis hook?
- SC hip throw and Judo hip throw?
- long fist wrist lock vs. Aikido wrist lock?

IMO, there are no difference at all.

There is distinct difference in longfist wrist lock vs white crane wrist lock, anyone can recognize it. I don’t think your statement is completely accurate or honest because I think you know better. Instead what I think all of you are saying is “my wrist lock/kick/technique can beat up your lock/kick/technique”. Your commonality is based on the fact that you think you can defeat it within your current choice of definition the way you practice. I get that, if it can’t be used to fight, it isn’t really martial. The difference or distinction the others describe is based on their experiences, which may or may not be more useful for fighting. On the other hand, rigidly believing you have seen it all is not conducive to discussion. While you may handily defeat vast numbers, the world is full of unseen wonders for all of us. I am guilty of dismissing concepts that I have defeated as well, but I was wrong and short sighted. I have likely missed out on useful knowledge and experiences along the way.

 

[windwalker099114 144]

There is distinct difference in longfist wrist lock vs white crane wrist lock, anyone can recognize it. I don’t think your statement is completely accurate or honest because I think you know better. Instead what I think all of you are saying is “my wrist lock/kick/technique can beat up your lock/kick/technique”.

More to the point, would practitioners of the styles mentioned agree that what was being used for comparison was, in fact, representative of the method and way of doing things in their respective styles?

Otherwise, someone can demonstrate their interpretation of a White Crane wrist lock, Taiji kick, Aikido lock, etc., compare it with something else, and conclude they're the same or different. But the comparison establishes very little if the examples aren't actually representative of the methods being compared.