drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
Not at all. That is not a boast it is a concept i feel is important.
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Not at all. That is not a boast it is a concept i feel is important.
Hanzou
Grandmaster
Which is the typical, and (frankly) laughable response that TMA practitioners make when the rubber hits the road.
You constantly make fight videos and discuss how your tactics allow you to overcome the typical MMA strategy utilizing traditional Chinese MA. It seems rather strange that you're not willing to take it to the next step and make history. If I were in your place I certainly would.
I don't make fight videos. I record my sparring sessions. I share my videos to be informative even when the video doesn't show me at my best.
When some said that kung fu doesn't have take downs. I showed a video where I used a take down. As far as I know only 2 people showed a video of a technique that some said was not possible. One was a powerful back fist the other was a takedown. Neither was a video of you. If I felt like I needed to prove my skills for you, then I would fight you since you are the only one who seems. To have an issue about my abilities. But since you champion the skills of others and not your own, I'll just let you let believe what you will. You want me to prove my abilities to you by fighting someone else who isn't questioning my abilities and could care less.
That that's the big joke about TCMA
. People telling me to show proof of my abilities and always want me to fight someone else who isn't asking for proof
When some said that kung fu doesn't have take downs. I showed a video where I used a take down. As far as I know only 2 people showed a video of a technique that some said was not possible. One was a powerful back fist the other was a takedown. Neither was a video of you. If I felt like I needed to prove my skills for you, then I would fight you since you are the only one who seems. To have an issue about my abilities. But since you champion the skills of others and not your own, I'll just let you let believe what you will. You want me to prove my abilities to you by fighting someone else who isn't questioning my abilities and could care less.
That that's the big joke about TCMA
. People telling me to show proof of my abilities and always want me to fight someone else who isn't asking for proof
Ironbear24
Senior Master
Please don't lump us all in the same category because you have a disagreement with one guy.
yet you still can't tell me what's the point. To show that you were wrong? Yeah that's a big accomplishment. Highlight of my life is to show you are wrong. And after I do then what? You think too highly of yourself when you think people have to show you proof of something.
lol. You'll have even a bigger laugh when you ask what he's disagreeing with.
Stop talking if and Get in my place and make history for yourself, since that's what YOU want.
Ironbear24
Senior Master
Honestly I have no idea and I don't care to be honest. Many people here seem like they are arguing just for the sake of arguing.
That's the truth and the sad thing is it's driving people away, they come here to discuss martial arts in a friendly way just to find it's turned into that site that starts with a B. I know several people who just aren't coming back here. On another thread a poor chap who had only been here a few days was being called a liar among other things. There's very little point in sticking around to be insulted ( badly) is there or to try to get a debate going. An argument is where people argue who is right, a debate is where people argue what is right, there's a big difference. I'm done with this thread, it will be locked soon I imagine.
Hanzou
Grandmaster
That's the part you don't seem to get; I can't make history because I practice a MA that's already been proven in the ring. What's another Bjj guy in MMA going to prove? Everyone in MMA already does Bjj to some degree. Further, I'm not even close to the level of guys like Kron Gracie, Damian Maia, or Ryan Hall.
You, on the other hand come from a style that is nonexistent in MMA. You say that you have the secret of how not to get taken down, and you say that you have a better striking method than MMA/Boxing and it all comes from ancient Chinese methods? Even if you win a few fights on the amateur level, you'd become a sensation and turn the MA world on its head.
I simply find it odd that you and no one else you train with have ANY desire to be fighters. It reeks of that "master in the mountain" excuse where there's this guy that can beat all those silly sport fighters, yet he is above the money and the fame, and just rather live like a bum in the mountain.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
I don't think expecting proof has anything to do with anybody thinking highly of themselves. I think everyone can reasonably expect proof.
The point is that if you have a conversation that could easily be resolved by actually doing the thing they are discussing. It seems simpler to actually do the thing.
As described to me.
So you are holding a pen and we are all discussing what would happen if you let it go. You say it will drop,I say it will go straight up hanzou says it will explode.
By the end of the conversation you give up put the pen away and suggest we will never really know.
Ironbear24
Senior Master
When someone does a karate kick or wing chun maneuvers they don't say oh great karate and wing chun. They say oh what a great display of a muay Thai kick. Or even when a Kenpo guy does a take down they say oh what great bjj technique. The problem is many people into mma don't have an extensive knowledge of martial arts and only know how to spout the names of the same 4 styles you always see in it.
If he were to use his techniques successfully I already know what would happen. The comments would be oh what great bjj and oh what great muay Thai. That is one of the problems with mma in general, it is called mixed martial arts yet where is the mixing at? It's always the same 4 styles that are typically executed poorly, nearly all the fights consist of swinging wildly and or making out on the floor.
What is so ultimate about this?
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
Ironbear24
Senior Master
Was this supposed to change my opinion of ufc? It does not. What it did was show me some excellent martial artist and what they do to practice. I have much respect for mma itself and the participants but that doesn't mean I have to find the ufc entertaining or agree that is the best thing ever.
These are all great martial artists but when they get into that octagon, all I end up seeing is fraternity brawling and foreplay.
These are all great martial artists but when they get into that octagon, all I end up seeing is fraternity brawling and foreplay.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
Yeah I say the same thing about football. But apparently there is a skill to it.
And why do you need proof of my abilities?
The only thing that is not resolved is your belief in my abilities and you are free to believe or not believe.
Hanzou
Grandmaster
That would be because many arts share techniques, and people claim that someone charging forward throwing chain punches is doing Wing Chun or something when in fact they're just chain punching. Have a guy in the octagon doing this;
And we'd have an entirely different ball game.
Except Jow Ga and traditional CMA in general looks nothing like Muay Thai. Thus there's no way for people to confuse it with the standard kickboxing striking style you see in MMA. Additionally there would be no confusion with Bjj either, since Chinese ground fighting is rare to nonexistent because of the belief by CMA exponents that they can shrug off the takedown.
What you don't get is that I'm not trying to prove anything. I've said it before in this forum. That I want to be a good representation of Jow Ga. It doesn't matter if I win or lose. The only thing that I care about is when I fight, that my fighting looks like Jow Ga. I've said that multiple times. If I train Jow Ga then my fighting better look like Jow Ga and not some generic kickboxing with basic kicks and punches. Below is a quote from the description in the video below. I'm assuming the other guy does kung fu? karate? kick boxing? It's hard to tell because it's just basic kicks and punches. But it's clear that one guy does kung fu and it shows the applications of the techniques that he practices in the form. This is what a good representation of a Martial Art is, when it answers yes to the question "Does your fighting looking like what you practice."
"The wonderful and inspiring thing about Sifu Colvin is that he fights using exactly the same techniques that he practiced in his forms prior to the bout."
All of this glory hunting that's not my plan that's YOUR PLAN.
You can still make history. Boxers and MMA fighter make history all the time.
I definitely know that I didn't say this. I know I talked a lot about the horse stance and how to use to to avoid take downs, and how I think there were some misunderstandings about the saying "a strong stance can defeat a take down." I remember that conversation. I don't remember me saying that Jow Ga striking techniques are better than some other style. As a matter of fact I've never even said that Jow Ga was better. So all the stuff that you think I've said I haven't said. I've shared differences between Jow Ga and other fighting systems only because there are differences. That's just information and not any recognition that one system is better than another.
If you get tired of me talking about Jow Ga and the fighting system that I study and train in, then just don't read my posts. Some people do TKD some people do BJJ and they talk about what they do. Not quite sure why you and some others feel so threaten about what I say that I have to prove something to you every time I talk about what I do.
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