Self-Defense???

[sinthetik_mistik]

If you fancied trying a fight there are plenty of other promotions around, many will also have amateur and semi pro as well as pro rules . Some promotions specialise in taking first timers. There are a huge amount of people who train MMA with no intention of fighting, some like to have a fight once or twice a year. It's isn't all professional fighters in MMA lots of non professional fighters have a go, some are very good, some just average but all enjoy fighting on shows.
Fighters aren't necessarily proficient in 3-4 martial arts, they are proficient in MMA there's a difference, they don't train in a whole loads of different styles then compete, they learn and practice the techniques needed to fight. In the early days, fighters would be black belts mostly likely in one style then train another, now more and more are coming into MMA without having done any martial arts.
I don't know why you are surprised that MMA fighters are good at striking, it's a very big part of MMA. In fact I'm not sure you are very clear what MMA is?

well, I know that MMA stands for mixed martial arts. I don't remember saying I was surprised to see UFC fighters excelling in striking. On the contrary, I would damn well expect it. I am not an expert in MMA as far as how they train. Do they meld all the different martial arts together into one comprehensive martial art? (as opposed to training for each individual martial art separately) that is what i'm assuming from what everyone has told me. so yeah you're right i'm no expert on MMA, i've watched a fair amount of UFC, and observed the way people on UFC fight, but beyond that i am pretty ignorant about MMA

 

[Tez3]

I've also seen UFC fighters shine in striking... .

That certainly sounds surprised!

MMA is a competitive style of martial arts, fighters compete under an MMA rule set which may often vary from promotion to promotion. In the US it tends to be more controlled by authorities than anywhere else.
They don't meld all the different arts into one, they take what they need out of whatever style they feel is useful. Often fighters will train in a stand up style, Muay Thai is very popular for that, other may use their experience in karate/TKD/TSD and train that, ground styles are usually BJJ but may be Sambo or Judo. However it will all to trained with the intent of being used in an MMA fight, this means only using techniques they feel are useful, they can come from any style. I have seen fighters who were competing against each and after the fight be in the changing room swapping techniques. Every fighter knows who their opponent will be so they have a chance to study them, the fight tactics will be worked out accordingly.
I would say look wider than the UFC, watch your local shows, actually go to one even, look on You Tube for the Pride fights, sadly no longer going but it had great fights in it's day. Look at Bellator and other shows, expand beyond UFC.

 

[sinthetik_mistik]

That certainly sounds surprised!

MMA is a competitive style of martial arts, fighters compete under an MMA rule set which may often vary from promotion to promotion. In the US it tends to be more controlled by authorities than anywhere else.
They don't meld all the different arts into one, they take what they need out of whatever style they feel is useful. Often fighters will train in a stand up style, Muay Thai is very popular for that, other may use their experience in karate/TKD/TSD and train that, ground styles are usually BJJ but may be Sambo or Judo. However it will all to trained with the intent of being used in an MMA fight, this means only using techniques they feel are useful, they can come from any style. I have seen fighters who were competing against each and after the fight be in the changing room swapping techniques. Every fighter knows who their opponent will be so they have a chance to study them, the fight tactics will be worked out accordingly.
I would say look wider than the UFC, watch your local shows, actually go to one even, look on You Tube for the Pride fights, sadly no longer going but it had great fights in it's day. Look at Bellator and other shows, expand beyond UFC.

well i didn't mean to come across as surprised... maybe i didn't word my message well. The fact that one of the biggest, most highly acclaimed fighting competitions on planet earth has fighters that are damn good strikers truly doesn't surprise me. I have watched a lot of fights on Youtube, mainly TKD fights at first but all different styles and have seen a variety of scenarios. I have watched a TKD guy knock out a Muay Thai guy with one kick, and I have watched a Muay Thai guy beat a TKD guy into submission. I actually saw one fight between a TKD guy and a Muay Thai guy that resulted in a draw, after the bell rang and the fight was over they both laid down on the ground and clutched themselves, obviously in serious pain. I am just using those two martial arts as examples. I saw on Aikido master dominate like everybody but i can't find those videos.

 

[Tez3]

well i didn't mean to come across as surprised... maybe i didn't word my message well. The fact that one of the biggest, most highly acclaimed fighting competitions on planet earth has fighters that are damn good strikers truly doesn't surprise me. I have watched a lot of fights on Youtube, mainly TKD fights at first but all different styles and have seen a variety of scenarios. I have watched a TKD guy knock out a Muay Thai guy with one kick, and I have watched a Muay Thai guy beat a TKD guy into submission. I actually saw one fight between a TKD guy and a Muay Thai guy that resulted in a draw, after the bell rang and the fight was over they both laid down on the ground and clutched themselves, obviously in serious pain. I am just using those two martial arts as examples. I saw on Aikido master dominate like everybody but i can't find those videos.

You Tube videos as far as martial arts are concerned are dubious to say the least. Everyone and their monkey posts 'fights' up, a few are good the vast majority don't represent the styles very well. I don't watch these so called style v style videos, they need to be watched with an enormous pinch of salt, they are laughable frankly.

 

[Tez3]

Late at night here so I'm off to bed but here's a taste of what a master looks like lol, Crocop of the dead eyes.

 

[RowdyAz]

Right leg hospital, left leg cemetery

 

[sinthetik_mistik]

Late at night here so I'm off to bed but here's a taste of what a master looks like lol, Crocop of the dead eyes.

awesome fight, thanks for sharing! i think the fact that they didn't like each other made them fight harder, but maybe not. Knockout due to a kick to the head is my favorite kind of knockout... you see it in TKD all the time... i'll post a video here to demonstrate... this is a YouTube video so you can tell me if you think it's dubious:

 

[sinthetik_mistik]

awesome fight, thanks for sharing! i think the fact that they didn't like each other made them fight harder, but maybe not. Knockout due to a kick to the head is my favorite kind of knockout... you see it in TKD all the time... i'll post a video here to demonstrate... this is a YouTube video so you can tell me if you think it's dubious:

also notice the fact that they are wearing protective headgear. doing a kick to the head knockout is fierce enough without protective headgear, so obviously with headgear it is even more ferocious.

 

[Tez3]

also notice the fact that they are wearing protective headgear. doing a kick to the head knockout is fierce enough without protective headgear, so obviously with headgear it is even more ferocious.

Well, no it's not more ferocious, it's the same.


Crocop fought everyone like that, he is cold and ruthless, look him up, his name is Mirko Filipović.

 

[sinthetik_mistik]

Well, no it's not more ferocious, it's the same.

ok... so if you are saying that it is the same, that is implying that headgear does not provide protection? if it does not provide protection... then why are they wearing it? if you can hurt someone who is wearing protective padding just as easily as someone who is not wearing protective padding then what is the point of wearing protective padding?

 

[sinthetik_mistik]

ok... so if you are saying that it is the same, that is implying that headgear does not provide protection? if it does not provide protection... then why are they wearing it? if you can hurt someone who is wearing protective padding just as easily as someone who is not wearing protective padding then what is the point of wearing protective padding?

I mean in TKD matches you are not allowed to punch the head of your opponent. So that means that the fighters are wearing protective headgear to protect themselves from kicks... i have sparred TKD before, I punched someone who had protective padding on their chest and they were fine... and i'm not trying to toot my horn but i'm a pretty solid puncher

 

[Tez3]

ok... so if you are saying that it is the same, that is implying that headgear does not provide protection? if it does not provide protection... then why are they wearing it? if you can hurt someone who is wearing protective padding just as easily as someone who is not wearing protective padding then what is the point of wearing protective padding?

The damage caused by any blow to the head happens when the soft brain hits the hard skull, it causes bruising and sometimes bleeding. There is no external padding that can stop that happening. Motorcycle helmets for example provide external protection and often save lives but you always get that brain hitting the inside of the skull damage. Boxers are the worst for it because they often dehydrate to make weight and lose the protecting fluid around the brain. Same with jockeys. Football (soccer) players sustain brain damage from repeated heading the ball. this damage is often known as being punch drunk. Amateur boxing has just stopped using head guards for male boxers.
Sports Medicine Punch Drunk Repetitive Brain Injury - The Doctor

 

[sinthetik_mistik]

Motorcycle helmets for example provide external protection and often save lives but you always get that brain hitting the inside of the skull damage

Yes, there always is the brain hitting the inside of the skull, but doesn't the head gear absorb much of the shock? I'm no expert but to I would think that lessens the intensity of the blow. I may be wrong cause i'm really no expert but if motorcycle helmet saves lives but doesn't do anything to alleviate the degree to which the brain hits the inside of the skull... the leading cause of head injuries from a motorcycle crash is traumatic brain injury... so I am guessing that is what wearing a helmet is designed to protect. i'm not saying it completely takes away all the blow, but it decreases it. Like you said, motorcycles save lives largely from brain injury, so yeah i'm going around in circles now but yeah

 

[Tez3]

Yes, there always is the brain hitting the inside of the skull, but doesn't the head gear absorb much of the shock? I'm no expert but to I would think that lessens the intensity of the blow. I may be wrong cause i'm really no expert but if motorcycle helmet saves lives but doesn't do anything to alleviate the degree to which the brain hits the inside of the skull... the leading cause of head injuries from a motorcycle crash is traumatic brain injury... so I am guessing that is what wearing a helmet is designed to protect. i'm not saying it completely takes away all the blow, but it decreases it. Like you said, motorcycles save lives largely from brain injury, so yeah i'm going around in circles now but yeah

The brain still moves inside the skull, there's nothing can protect it from that. It's the movements of the brain that does the damage not the blow itself. If you imagine the whiplash type of injury where your head goes suddenly forward and then sudden backward, the brain is bouncing odd the skull, you can't mitigate that with a helmet, the brain still moves as it does with a blow to the head, a relatively shallow hit will still cause the brain to move within the skull. The motorcycle helmet protects the skull not the brain. If the skull fractures and pierces the brain you have big problems.

 

[sinthetik_mistik]

The brain still moves inside the skull, there's nothing can protect it from that. It's the movements of the brain that does the damage not the blow itself. If you imagine the whiplash type of injury where your head goes suddenly forward and then sudden backward, the brain is bouncing odd the skull, you can't mitigate that with a helmet, the brain still moves as it does with a blow to the head, a relatively shallow hit will still cause the brain to move within the skull. The motorcycle helmet protects the skull not the brain. If the skull fractures and pierces the brain you have big problems.

well i'll confess, you obviously have more knowledge about this subject than me. I always assumed that headgear makes it harder to knock someone out with a kick to the head but i guess i was wrong. Nonetheless, i think a one kick knockout to the head is still damn impressive.

 

[Crazy Eyes]

The brain still moves inside the skull, there's nothing can protect it from that. It's the movements of the brain that does the damage not the blow itself. If you imagine the whiplash type of injury where your head goes suddenly forward and then sudden backward, the brain is bouncing odd the skull, you can't mitigate that with a helmet, the brain still moves as it does with a blow to the head, a relatively shallow hit will still cause the brain to move within the skull. The motorcycle helmet protects the skull not the brain. If the skull fractures and pierces the brain you have big problems.

I'm not sure if I agree with you on this. As someone who has taken multiple strikes to the head and more than a couple concussions, I can confidently say I've suffered no brain damage at all.

 

[Dirty Dog]

I'm not sure if I agree with you on this. As someone who has taken multiple strikes to the head and more than a couple concussions, I can confidently say I've suffered no brain damage at all.

Sorry. You're wrong. If you've had multiple concussions, then, by definition, you've got brain damage.

 

[Tez3]

I'm not sure if I agree with you on this. As someone who has taken multiple strikes to the head and more than a couple concussions, I can confidently say I've suffered no brain damage at all.

Doesn't matter whether you agree with ME or not, it's medical evidence ( there is a lot of it too), you can ignore it or not it will still be true.

It's something we in the MMA field in the UK are very interested in, safety for participants so there's a lot of research been done into the medical aspects of brain damage and hit strikes.

 

[Bluesman]

To me all that matters in a self defense situation is that you and your friends & family get home safely. That may involve fighting, talking, avoiding or running. They are all forms of self defense.

 

[banshee Ian Williams]

Self defense, its either, the defense of oneself, or in many cases it seems to become, the art of proper retaliation and quick evasion.
The best defense is 'no be there' to be corny.
To truly defend oneself one needs to be focused, or otherwise it turns into foolish aggression.
Hurry up and slow down.