Reverse Head Lock

[Kung Fu Wang]

I find this clip. It further proves that you can make your opponent to tap out during the stand up game.

What's your opinion on this technique?

 

[Buka]

It's really easy to get out of. BJJ guys will give a person fits if he puts them in it.

I used to show my students how much the arm over the shoulder can take off pressure, and have them just lift me up with my feet dangling off the floor....and I'd still be talking.

And the first time I experienced this, it scared the crap out of me.

 

[Tez3]

I find this clip. It further proves that you can make your opponent to tap out during the stand up game.

What's your opinion on this technique?

These are Nathan Leverton's students. One of, if not the best place to train in the UK.

 

[geezer]

The energy with which a technique is applied directly affects how easily it can be countered ...i.e. if you are better at applying a technique than your opponent is at countering it, it will work. It didn't look like that guy gave his opponent much chance to apply the well known counters in the clips supplied by Buka above.

BTW did anybody notice the painting of the guy with the two swords on the wall? Curious...

 

[Danny T]

BTW did anybody notice the painting of the guy with the two swords on the wall? Curious...

Thai Warrior carrying two daabs (short sword)

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

It can be quite handy if you can develop a strong "head lock".

It reminds me this clip (at 1.47).

 

[drop bear]

Easiest way to defend standing head locks is to have good structure in your wrestling.

Guillotines take advantage of people being sloppy.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Easiest way to defend standing head locks is to have good structure in your wrestling.

Guillotines take advantage of people being sloppy.

How much weight can someone's head carry through his neck?

- 50 lb?
- 100 lb?
- 150 lb?
- 200 lb?
- ...

 

[drop bear]

How much weight can someone's head carry through his neck?

- 50 lb?
- 100 lb?
- 150 lb?
- 200 lb?
- ...

a fair bit.

 

[drop bear]

it is all about correct lifting.

 

[Buka]

a fair bit.

That hat on the right - I have it in red. Tough in the car, though.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

What if your neck is parallel to the ground? Can you still lift that much weight?

If the guy on the right leans his body backward, that will be at least 150 lb physical weight on the other guy's neck. That does not even include the power that come from the "arm squeeze".

 

[Buka]

What I like better from there....

I don't know what this is called, maybe the jits guys can help me out. An old BJJ guy taught me this but never mentioned the name, we always called it the nastiest crank on planet earth.

I hope I can articulate this properly.

Guy goes to shoot, or ducks by bending at the waist - When you sink your armpit deep onto the back of his neck - let's say it's your right armpit.
Instead of your right forearm choking across the throat, your left - instead of grabbing your right arm/wrist to help apply pressure, keeps going, putting your left forearm across the throat/neck instead, and grabs your bicep or sleeve.....as your right arm disengages and goes over his back (it would be between his shoulder and waist) to around the shoulder blade area. Then twist with your body to the left. Oh, God, it sucks so bad to be caught in this. Feels like your neck is going to break.

Really doesn't take any longer to apply than a guillotine, but it does to write it out.

 

[drop bear]

What if your neck is parallel to the ground? Can you still lift that much weight?

If the guy on the right leans his body backward, that will be at least 150 lb physical weight on the other guy's neck. That does not even include the power that come from the "arm squeeze".

lol. correct.

so what should we learn from that?

 

[drop bear]

What I like better from there....

I don't know what this is called, maybe the jits guys can help me out. An old BJJ guy taught me this but never mentioned the name, we always called it the nastiest crank on planet earth.

I hope I can articulate this properly.

Guy goes to shoot, or ducks by bending at the waist - When you sink your armpit deep onto the back of his neck - let's say it's your right armpit.
Instead of your right forearm choking across the throat, your left - instead of grabbing your right arm/wrist to help apply pressure, keeps going, putting your left forearm across the throat/neck instead, and grabs your bicep or sleeve.....as your right arm disengages and goes over his back (it would be between his shoulder and waist) to around the shoulder blade area. Then twist with your body to the left. Oh, God, it sucks so bad to be caught in this. Feels like your neck is going to break.

Really doesn't take any longer to apply than a guillotine, but it does to write it out.

probably a ninja or darce choke.

 

[drop bear]

or just a dirty neck crank or ten finger choke.

lots of variations.

 

[Buka]

or just a dirty neck crank or ten finger choke.

lots of variations.

That's not it. Not that what the clip shows has anything wrong with it, I have no idea. But that's not it.

 

[Tony Dismukes]

I find this clip. It further proves that you can make your opponent to tap out during the stand up game.

What's your opinion on this technique?

The guillotine is a pretty standard technique. It's easier to finish on the ground, but it's probably the highest-percentage standing submission.

It's really easy to get out of. BJJ guys will give a person fits if he puts them in it.

I used to show my students how much the arm over the shoulder can take off pressure, and have them just lift me up with my feet dangling off the floor....and I'd still be talking.

And the first time I experienced this, it scared the crap out of me.

It looks like the guy in Kung Fu Wang's clip was working on a high-elbow guillotine, which is much harder to escape using those standard counters.

What if your neck is parallel to the ground? Can you still lift that much weight?

If the guy on the right leans his body backward, that will be at least 150 lb physical weight on the other guy's neck. That does not even include the power that come from the "arm squeeze".

I believe that was drop bear's point. With good posture and structure, the wrestler's neck shouldn't be parallel to the ground.

What I like better from there....

I don't know what this is called, maybe the jits guys can help me out. An old BJJ guy taught me this but never mentioned the name, we always called it the nastiest crank on planet earth.

I hope I can articulate this properly.

Guy goes to shoot, or ducks by bending at the waist - When you sink your armpit deep onto the back of his neck - let's say it's your right armpit.
Instead of your right forearm choking across the throat, your left - instead of grabbing your right arm/wrist to help apply pressure, keeps going, putting your left forearm across the throat/neck instead, and grabs your bicep or sleeve.....as your right arm disengages and goes over his back (it would be between his shoulder and waist) to around the shoulder blade area. Then twist with your body to the left. Oh, God, it sucks so bad to be caught in this. Feels like your neck is going to break.

Really doesn't take any longer to apply than a guillotine, but it does to write it out.

I don't know if I've encountered that particular variation, but it sounds like a catch wrestling move.

 

[oftheherd1]

It's really easy to get out of. BJJ guys will give a person fits if he puts them in it.

I used to show my students how much the arm over the shoulder can take off pressure, and have them just lift me up with my feet dangling off the floor....and I'd still be talking.

And the first time I experienced this, it scared the crap out of me.

Both are good. But I really like the 2nd one.

 

[Steve]

What if your neck is parallel to the ground? Can you still lift that much weight?

If the guy on the right leans his body backward, that will be at least 150 lb physical weight on the other guy's neck. That does not even include the power that come from the "arm squeeze".

block his hips with your right arm, reach over his right shoulder with your left arm and pull that side down. Scooch your hips back and circle away from the hokd toward your left.

His leverage comes from driving his hips in. Blocking the hips is an important first step.