deflect->atemi
White Belt
Although he started in shinobi-no-jutsu, he did study my art (kempo jutsu) in addition to other arts. He's one of the few martial artists I watch on YT, and I find his insights into urban combat thought provoking.
Randori in Master Ali Abdul Karim's class
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Chris Parker
Grandmaster
Er… without getting into fraud busting here, you may want to widen your view...
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deflect->atemi
White Belt
any suggestions?
I use "randori" for something more like actual sparring. However I have seen some Aikido and Bujinkan dojos use the term in this sense, where a designated attacker feeds some simple, non-deceptive attacks to the designated defender who then gets to execute whatever techniques feel appropriate. It can be a step towards actual free-form work in that the actual techniques can be improvised, but the attacker, defender, and winner roles are all pre-determined. It's not a terrible drill, I just wish they'd use a different name for it.
I do agree with the instructor that the students doing the drill were wasting way, way too much energy. It's a combination of poor technique, too much tension, and poor breathing habits. When doing that sort of exercise with a compliant uke, you should be able to do the drill for a long time without getting out of breath.
I do agree with the instructor that the students doing the drill were wasting way, way too much energy. It's a combination of poor technique, too much tension, and poor breathing habits. When doing that sort of exercise with a compliant uke, you should be able to do the drill for a long time without getting out of breath.
Chris Parker
Grandmaster
I'd start with someone with a legitimate background, to start with...
Randori 乱取り pretty literally means "capture (from within) chaos", and is applied differently in different systems. Most go straight to Kodokan Judo's usage of the term, where it is a training method wherein both practitioners are attempting to apply their techniques against each other, while preventing their partner from applying theirs. This is not too dissimilar to BJJ's "rolling", or karate's kumite (close-quarters hands) methods. However, it's not the only, nor the original usage.
Many classical jujutsu ryu-ha used a form of randori training whereby one person took on the role of the attacking partner (teki, uke, ukemi, aite, or any of a few other terms used), and the other practitioner responding freely. The attacks can be simple, and restricted to only certain types, or they can be pretty well open to anything. This is the basis for the form used in Aikido, Bujinkan, and other systems, as well as seemingly the video in the first post.
Eh, not to me. Well... it looks like they feel they're serious, and take themselves way too seriously, but that's about it... and, from my perspective, if they were genuinely serious, they wouldn't be there...
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
Sorry. Karim
Thank you so much.
Chris Parker
Grandmaster
Have you considered martial arts instead?
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
No comment on the not-randori..but is this the guy you're looking for
NICE!!! Not only can I train with him.... but he also offers camping, paint ball and river rafting.... Don't forget to bring extra money on the camping trip....
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
Yeah. But the more ninja there is the easier they are to fight.
Yes. In much of Aikido (meaning even beyond Ueshiba’s art), randori refers to constant feeding of attacks (usually stylized and/or simplified and obvious) to one person. This may or may not involve multiple “attackers” at once.
Of course, in Judo, it refers to grapple-sparring, for lack of a better term. I prefer to use it for this (which I find more productive).
Martial arts? Recently Taekwondo. Is what Master Ali Karim teaches not considered to be martial arts? Thanks.
Yamabushii
Green Belt
It's still martial arts. Granted Master Karim essentially invented his own style, but it looks like it's working and in the end, that's all that counts. Ignore the purists.
For those who don't get the reference, google "inverse ninja law" or "conservation of ninjutsu". TV Tropes has probably the most comprehensive explanation.
