Police MMA - Has anyone tried to modify MMA to make it more applicable to police?

[Buka20]

I have three rules. Ask 'em, tell 'em, take 'em. No exceptions.

@Bill, that's a terrific line. I'd like to use it in a novel I'm writing. It's for a character who happens to be an MP.

Is that an original from you? I want the character in the book to give credit where credit is due.

 

[drop bear104]

Ask 'em, tell 'em, take 'em. No exceptions.

 

[Bill Mattocks]

@Bill, that's a terrific line. I'd like to use it in a novel I'm writing. It's for a character who happens to be an MP.

Is that an original from you? I want the character in the book to give credit where credit is due.

I'm sure I got it from another MP, but I can't remember who anymore. They called me Maddog in those days. Lol.

 

[Buka20]

You got to know when to fold them....

Reminds me of the old BJJ definition, "Folding a person's clothes while they're still in them."

 

[Buka20]

I'm sure I got it from another MP, but I can't remember who anymore. They called me Maddog in those days. Lol.View attachment 29973View attachment 29974

Okay, I'm going to use that line and have the character attribute to it having being handed down to him from a certain someone. Thanks, brother, it's the perfect line for the scene.

 

[jks919975]

@Bill, that's a terrific line. I'd like to use it in a novel I'm writing. It's for a character who happens to be an MP.

Is that an original from you? I want the character in the book to give credit where credit is due.

Ask, Tell, Make --- it's been around for at least 25 years in law enforcement. Probably longer. Still more or less valid, though there are some situation tweaks. Especially in the current climate...

 

[Bill Mattocks]

Ask, Tell, Make --- it's been around for at least 25 years in law enforcement. Probably longer. Still more or less valid, though there are some situation tweaks. Especially in the current climate...

Well, I was using it in 1979, so perhaps it's been around a bit longer. Although honestly, 1979 seems like yesterday. I suppose no one refers to 'stick time' or a 'stick dance' or 'five from the sky' anymore?

 

[punisher731]

Well, I was using it in 1979, so perhaps it's been around a bit longer. Although honestly, 1979 seems like yesterday. I suppose no one refers to 'stick time' or a 'stick dance' or 'five from the sky' anymore?

It is one of those things that has been around for so long, no one really knows where it came from.

 

[Buka20]

And I never heard that phrase once. Must have had my head in the sand.

 

[frank raud53]

You've got yer Police Judo, you've got yer Police Jiu Jitsu. The founder of the style of jiu jitsu I train in was a MP, then Ottawa Police officer. He combined judo, jiu jitsu, Karate and boxing back in the 60's and 70's. He taught law and security for over 25 years at the college level and provided special ized training to the RCMP and OPP. outreach trying to reinvent the wheel.

 

[frank raud53]

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[drop bear104]

INVICTUS LEO

Invictus Leo Jiu Jiu Jitsu Collective encourages Jiu Jitsu for Law Enforcement. We are the group behind the the "BJJMAKEITMANDATORY" movement.

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Bjj is also pretty easy to get hold of a legitimate school. And it is pretty easy to test that legitimacy. The department can go to the school, roll with them for an hour and find out if it is worth their patronage

And you can pick up and leave one school and carry on where you left at another, mostly.

So for departments to just outsource the issue to reputable experts makes a lot of sense.

And quite often BJJ schools do deals for police officers.

And so it may not be the exact training they are looking for (I think MMA is more comprehensive and more focused to the task at the same time) they are probably going to get good enough skills to make it work. And not hitch themselves to a complete lemon that doesn't work.

 

[drop bear104]

1:53 is how I handcuff people and secure girls.

That is the second time I have seen anyone use that anywhere.

 

[frank raud53]

This is Georges Sylvain's 1st book, from 1965. He was the founder of the style of jiu jitsu I train in.

 

[Buka20]

We started using BJJ grappling=, as well as some MMA techniques in DT training back in 1993. Haven't had any complaints yet.

 

[Instructor]

I have a law enforcement background but no experience with MMA. What they taught us in the police academy was very abreviated and looked more like Hapkido than anything else I've come across. The primary techniques were the arm bar, the goose neck (come along), and the hammer lock (like a chicken wing with arm behind back). This was before tazers and pepper spray were as widely used as they are now. All I carried was my firearm, a flashlight, and a radio.

In my opinion any martial art that improves overall fitness, hand eye coordination, and awareness would be beneficial to a police officer.

 

[JonBhoy24]

Been lurking on this thread. Have any of you had experience with EF Combatives? Im not LE, but follow them on instagram. Looks like good stuff.

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[drop bear104]

Been lurking on this thread. Have any of you had experience with EF Combatives? Im not LE, but follow them on instagram. Looks like good stuff.

Law Enforcement Defensive Tactics & Instructor Certification | EFC

EF Combatives provides POST-certified, science-driven defensive tactics training for law enforcement. Access on-demand modules or find instructor courses.

www.efcombatives.com

That is what I would call MMA based.

Now the thing is (and I haven't looked in to it) It still has to be done live by people who understand how to do it live.

Otherwise you walk back in to the standard industry training model and don't get anything out of it.

That is always the test.

And for police combatives that is literally designed to subdue people without hurting them. There is no excuse not to.