Polar bear expert barred by global warmists

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Polar bear expert barred by global warmists

Mitchell Taylor, who has studied the animals for 30 years, was told his views 'are extremely unhelpful , reveals Christopher Booker.


Telegraph.co.uk Excerpt:

Christopher Booker
Published: 5:20PM BST 27 Jun 2009


Over the coming days a curiously revealing event will be taking place in Copenhagen. Top of the agenda at a meeting of the Polar Bear Specialist Group (set up under the International Union for the Conservation of Nature/Species Survival Commission) will be the need to produce a suitably scary report on how polar bears are being threatened with extinction by man-made global warming.
This is one of a steady drizzle of events planned to stoke up alarm in the run-up to the UN's major conference on climate change in Copenhagen next December. But one of the world's leading experts on polar bears has been told to stay away from this week's meeting, specifically because his views on global warming do not accord with those of the rest of the group.


Dr Mitchell Taylor has been researching the status and management of polar bears in Canada and around the Arctic Circle for 30 years, as both an academic and a government employee. More than once since 2006 he has made headlines by insisting that polar bear numbers, far from decreasing, are much higher than they were 30 years ago. Of the 19 different bear populations, almost all are increasing or at optimum levels, only two have for local reasons modestly declined.
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He has also observed, however, how the melting of Arctic ice, supposedly threatening the survival of the bears, has rocketed to the top of the warmists' agenda as their most iconic single cause. The famous photograph of two bears standing forlornly on a melting iceberg was produced thousands of times by Al Gore, the WWF and others as an emblem of how the bears faced extinction until last year the photographer, Amanda Byrd, revealed that the bears, just off the Alaska coast, were in no danger. Her picture had nothing to do with global warming and was only taken because the wind-sculpted ice they were standing on made such a striking image.
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Dr Taylor was told that his views running "counter to human-induced climate change are extremely unhelpful". His signing of the Manhattan Declaration a statement by 500 scientists that the causes of climate change are not CO2 but natural, such as changes in the radiation of the sun and ocean currents was "inconsistent with the position taken by the PBSG".
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The bears are doing fine.

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To think, those who challenge the Al Gore view are usually accused of "ignoring the science"...
 

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If one's "science" doesn't go along with the rhetoric then one is not welcome apparently.

Who am I to argue with the man who created the internet?
 

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we have been down this road before ad nauseum and since it is equally as easy to produce scientists that say the opposite of this scientist the entire argument as to whether or not it is Co2, humans, cow flatulence, or some guy named Dave that lives in Montana is pointless.

It doesn't matter whose fault it is it matters that it is getting warmer, ice is melting and sea level is raising and it would be MUCH more productive to say &#8220;yup global warming exists, what can we do about it&#8221; than to sit back and point fingers as to whose fault it is because to be honest IT DOESN"T FREAKIN MATTER!!!!!!

If we can make it better we best start trying to and stop arguing about whose fault it is. If it is our fault again WHO CARES!!!!! Can we fix it or is it too late? If it is not our fault and it is a natural progression, and it could be, (it could also be both by the way) again WHO CARES!!!! Can we fix it?

If we can't well then expect to have rather tight population concentrations in the future because placed like NYC will be under water.

If it makes you feel better you had absolutly nothing to do with it...it was that Dave guy in Montana...he did it...now can we PLEASE get on with trying to figure out what, if anything, we can do.
 

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Do you thin we could have stopped the Ice Age? The "big one" that is, not the itty-bitty one responsible for the Dark Ages.
 

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......will be the need to produce a suitably scary report on how polar bears are being threatened with extinction by man-made global warming......

You can stop reading right here. There will be nothing objective or useful in such writing.
 

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This really is a non partisan issue. I said years ago when the Bush Administration was manipulating scientific reports and applying political pressure to science that we were looking at a threat to the establishment of science. Since then, I've learned that manipulation of "science" wasn't just limited to the Bush adminstration. Whoever holds the money get the truth that they desire...
 

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Do you thin we could have stopped the Ice Age? The "big one" that is, not the itty-bitty one responsible for the Dark Ages.

We couldn't stop either... unless you can stop a volcano and an undersea avalanche that disrupted the oceanic conveyor belt system that are sighted as possibilities for the little ice age or in the case of the much larger changing volcanism, planetary orbits and axis shifts. And I never implied we could. I did say it is time to stop looking for whose fault it is and figure out just what the heck we can do to stop the current warming trend IF it is possible and if it is not figure out just what the heck we ARE going to do.

Here is a possible cycle by the way, warming puts more water in the atmosphere, more water reflects solar energy back into space and you get cooling and then it that continues you get an ice age. Now none of this is fast but a 1 mile thick ice sheet heading towards your town is not all that stoppable either but I do think there would come a point were people would stop trying to figure out whose fault it was and decide it was time to move. But if judging by the constant debate and finger pointing going on with this whole global warming issue I would not doubt the arguers would rather be crushed by the oncoming ice than give up on trying to blame the other guy, or cow, or geological history.

In the case of warming, based on the number of discussion s going on as to who is to blame I would equally expect those arguers to continue the argument as the water goes over their heads.

Fault does not matter all that matter is that it is getting warmer so just what the heck is anyone going to do about it because you can argue, point fingers, criticize and blame until you are neck deep in ocean water but it solves absolutely nothing.

But this is all a long way awayand it is but some things can happen fast and be incredibly destructive and deadlydont believe melook up the younger dryas or the little ice age. Now to me, it would make more since to figure out what we can do, as a species (since we are allegedly the smartest species on the planet) to survive these events that to sit here and continue to prove the other guy wrong or blame some one or something else.
 

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The point of this whole thread is that certain environmentalist leftists have succeeded in barring anyone else from the environmental forum who does't toe the line with their beliefs. It seems that Al Gore had 8 years to do something about fossil fuel effects on the atmosphere at the time of the Clinton administration, but failed to do so. Wonder why? It seems that the world has held Gore up as some environmental messiah. I on the other hand find him to be a typical politician and somewhat of a weasel.

I know that some of you dislike Glen Beck due to your ideology, but please watch the youtube clip I've posted. I know it won't change your mind, but this is a great story told well.

www.youtube.com/watcg?v=UjmJGMZKCOg
 

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It seems that the world has held Gore up as some environmental messiah.

I don't, because he is not and he is, IMO, sensationalizing things to sell books and movies.

But this of course brings me back to who cares stop arguing, pointing fingers, name calling, denying, sensationalizing (on both sides) and start working together and figure out how to fix it or survive it.
 

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But this of course brings me back to who cares stop arguing, pointing fingers, name calling, denying, sensationalizing (on both sides) and start working together and figure out how to fix it or survive it.

While I agree with this, under the assumption GW is real, it doesnt, IMHO, change the fact that IF the OP's post is also real that the groups mentioned were falsifying information to generate sympathy for their side.

Crappy tactics, if you want to be taken seriously.
 

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While I agree with this, under the assumption GW is real, it doesnt, IMHO, change the fact that IF the OP's post is also real that the groups mentioned were falsifying information to generate sympathy for their side.

Crappy tactics, if you want to be taken seriously.
My point exactly

Work together not against each other and figure it out. And there has been "crappy tactics" used on all sides of this by the way; lies, half truths, fabrications, arguing, finger pointing, out right denial, etc.

And believe what you will, things are getting warmer; it is just why are they getting warmer.
 

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Seeing how scientists are saying that the middle ages were warmer than today. How do we know that we are not just in some sort of warming/cooling pattern that naturally happens? Why is it that we think that this is some sort of disaster, when its possible that this has been going on for eons?
 

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Seeing how scientists are saying that the middle ages were warmer than today. How do we know that we are not just in some sort of warming/cooling pattern that naturally happens? Why is it that we think that this is some sort of disaster, when its possible that this has been going on for eons?

AARRRRGH!!!

Read the damn post before you reapond with old tired statements, I said that was a possibility already and I am NOT going to go back into the science behind it or the causes of it or any other background on it. I have gone through it before so search MT and find it.

And there were times that wre warmer and times that were cooler and the earths rotation use to be faster and the orbit was not as eliptical and shall I go on

But if it is natural and it could be it is still getting warmer in places it was once cooler and cooler in places it was once warmer, sea level is still raising and land mass will be covered and NYC is one of those places that is threatened.

So you point is?
 

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Seeing how scientists are saying that the middle ages were warmer than today. How do we know that we are not just in some sort of warming/cooling pattern that naturally happens? Why is it that we think that this is some sort of disaster, when its possible that this has been going on for eons?

Because!

The universe revolves around us! Didn't you know that? We control everything! Our wonderful presence impacts the universe greatly because we're all so great! It couldn't possibly be happening naturally! You must have really low self esteem!
The universe-> :matrix:
.............................me ^
 

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So we look to engineering solutions or people move...like they always have. We dont start pouring crap into the seas or the sky thinking we are going to change the global climate.
 
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